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On "The Kind of Critical, Obliquely Ontological Investigation of Some Sort of Self"

(Scott Eric Kaufman (the ”Eric“ is not silent) writes:  ”Matt,  At this point, I think everyone could use some good old fashioned self-mockery, and if you and I have to be the ones to provide it, so be it...if you wouldn't mind posting my bit on Foucault to Long Sunday, I think that may actually be something incredibly useful.  Feel free to preface it with something incredibly snarky (it's what I'd do), and then let's see how the conversation at LS differs (or doesn't) from the conversation at the Valve.  A real experiment, you know.“  The following then, is his post.  It is an interesting post.  Please comment on it.)

Two long posts, both concerning theory, both beginning with a quotation of a previous discussion.  Serendipity?  The constitutional inability to resist having the last word?  Doesn’t matter.  Also unimportant: the experiment I concocted whereby I would post this here and ask Mark to post it on Long Sunday to see whether the two crowds would treat the material differently in some meaningful way.  But I digress.  (Despite not even having started yet.)  Ahem: I accused Mark Kaplan of reading Foucault’s account of historical interest naively.  I quoted this bit as proof:

So, for example, the sexual practices of ancient Greece – were these not, for Foucault, partly a way of thinking his way outside modern notions of ‘sexuality’ and the historically ingrained ‘regime’ supporting them.

And followed with this assessment:

I think Mark’s severely underestimating Foucault’s congenital pessimism, both about historical change and, more importantly, the idea that we can understand the discourses which saturate our lives in the moment that we live them.

He responded, quite rightly, that I glossed over Foucault’s notion of “the critical ontology of the self,” the practice he identifies with Kant’s Aufklärung, which my Oxford Duden German Dictionary tells me means something along the lines of “clearing up,” “solution,” “elucidation,” “explanation,” “a reconnaissance plane” or “the Enlightentment.” Some of these things are not like the others.  I’ve wondered why the English translation of the essay—"What is Enlightenment?"—failed to capture the reference there both in Kant’s German ("Was ist Aufklärung?") and Foucault’s French ("Qu’est-ce que les Lumières?").  Might this slight tick in the English be indicative of some abstractive impulse at the heart of Anglo-American Theory?  (Yes, I capitalized it, but for reasons which will eventually become apparent.) I’m not too inclined (yet) to attribute such a thing to American Theory because Kant’s work, as well as Foucault’s gloss of it, speaks directly to the problem of philosophical thought reflecting on the present moment:

I have been seeking, on the one hand, to emphasize the extent to which a type of philosophical interrogation—one that simultaneously problematizes man’s relation to the present, man’s historical mode of being, and the constitution of the self as an autonomous subject—is rooted in the Enlightenment. On the other hand, I have been seeking to stress that the thread that may connect us with the Enlightenment is not faithfulness to doctrinal elements, but rather the permanent reactivation of an attitude—that is, of a philosophical ethos that could be described as a permanent critique of our historical era.

This permanent critique of our historical era should entail “the analysis of ourselves as beings who are historically determined, to a certain extent, by the Enlightenment” and “‘the contemporary limits of the necessary,’” i.e. “what is not or is no longer indispensible for the constitution of ourselves as autonomous subjects.” All that emphasis are belong to us.  We, er, I’ve empahsized those passages not because I’m being excessively pedantic about hedging key philosophical claims: I’ve emphasized them because in the process of declaring the need for a new philosophical project Foucault qualifies away the most contested elements of his early thought: the extent to which any individual discourse factors into the formation of autonomous subjects.  I’ll return to this momentarily, but first let me touch his distinction between “the Enlightenment” and “Humanism.”

The first is a complex historical event.  The second is the “theme or set of themes that have reappeared on several occasions over time in European societies; these themes, always tied to value judgments, have obviously varied greatly in their content as well as in the values they have preserved.” Again, Foucault qualifies at the very moment his argument demands clarification.  (Or a reconnaisance plane.) Humanism sounds like a Foucauldian discoure: it is both Christian and opposes Christianity; hostile and critical towards scientific inquiry and supportive and optimistic of it.  Humanism has been present, he argues by dint of list, in Marxism, existentialism, personalism, National Socialism and Stalinism.  And the Enlightenment, of course.  But even though he easily identifies all the places in which it has been present, he lists none of its definitive characteristics, none of the ways in which it informed any of these larger movements in which it was a “theme or set of themes.” Not even in the Enlightenment: “An analysis of their complex relations in the course of the last two centuries would be a worthwhile project an important one if we are to bring some measure of clarity to the consciousness that we have of ourselves and of our past.”

Foucault’s assertions here align perfectly with Mark’s claim about it:  at this late stage of his career, Foucault’s invested in a “critical ontology of the self” which will “not seek to identify the universal structures of all knowledge or of all possible moral action, but will seek to treat the instances of discourse that articulate what we think, say, and do as so many historical events.” This project applies the “archeological” method Foucault earlier established to what I’ll call “the historical present.” Are there limits to our ability to assess the historical present the same way we assess the historical past?  Of course there are: “This philosophical ethos may be characterized as a limit-attitude.” The inability of an individual to identify precisely the discourses of which he or she is constituted would put a damper on this whole endeavour.  But Foucault anticipates this criticism (born, as it is, from his own thought):

To this, two responses. It is true that we have to give up hope of ever acceding to a point of view that could give us access to any complete and definitive knowledge of what may constitute our historical limits. And from this point of view the theoretical and practical experience that we have of our limits and of the possibility of moving beyond them is always limited and determined; thus we are always in the position of beginning again.

Here again Foucault the Elder bucks against Foucault the Younger, claiming that the best we can muster is an infinite “beginning again.”  We cannot transcend our limits, or even ever be fully cognizant of them.  Therefore, even if we try to transcend them, not only would we never be entirely sure what it is we’d be trying to transcend; we’d be damn sure (according to Foucault) that we wouldn’t be able to do anything even if we did.  Foucault the Younger understands the implications of his own thoughts.  Foucault the Elder plasters over these pessimisms by saying, “Well, we should have this limit-attitude, yes, and we should be aware of the futility of our project, alright, and if we do this we can overcome what it is I just now said we can never overcome, understand?” (In this vein I understand his attraction to Anti-Oedipus: Deleuze & Guattari explode the piñata and admire the falling confetti and, um, then they’re all liberated, see?) In other words, the way I read Foucault the Elder has been determined by my understanding of Foucault the Younger. 

But before I proceed, I need you to know there are a few things I’m absolutely, positively not doing: first, I’m not denigrating Foucault’s life-long commitment to the ideals of leftist intellectual dissidents, nor am I suggesting that his public political commitments were in any way insincere; second, I’m not saying that Foucault didn’t believe there to be an integral relation between his scholarship and “the real world” or what-not, as anyone who has glanced as his bibliography—Madness and Civilization, Pierre Riviere, The Birth of the Clinic, and Discipline and Punish were nothing if not the work of a scholar with a social conscience and a deeply ingrained desire not to speak to it.  That said, the implications of his own work point to the futility of such interventions, especially political ones.  I’ll post “Part II” of this as soon as I write it.  It will outline why Foucault the Younger would’ve laughed at Foucault the Elder and discuss how one particular group of scholars, the self-proclaimed New Historicists, sought to overcome the deterministic bent of Foucauldian thought. 

[Couple of last thoughts: This may be a bat-shit account of Foucault. If it is, call me out on it.  I’ve only ever read him for my own edification, so there’s a chance I might be coloring outside the lines.  Second: I reserve the right to edit this up the Great Chain if it is bat-shit.  Who knows which higher mammal it’ll be come tomorrow morn.  Stay tuned!]

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Quick couple of notes: it appears as this isn't a bat-shit account of Foucault--which is comforting--but, according to Kenneth Rufo it is a commonplace account. Rufo:

http://www.haloscan.com/comments/pasaudela2004/112880684527287208/#116938

"The difficulty in delimiting Humanism, which is born of the same difficulty Foucault has in talking out the link between governmentality and the micropolitical, is explicitly the starting point for Agamben's Homo Sacer project, and much of what occupies the writings of William Spanos. The split he identifies between Foucault the Elder and Foucault the younger is a split likewise more expressly identified by Baudrillard in Forget Foucault, who traces and faults the difference in early Foucault's thinking of power from an important and operative term to the later Foucault, in which power is THE important and operative term, pretty much exclusively."

One way to respond to this is, as I told Jonathan (on the Valve), that I didn't invent the wheel, but I will use it. The second point I'll make in my defense is that my interest in Foucault is a side-project...but a necessary one. Finding a suitable historiographical method is crucial to the writing of an historicist dissertation (as you can probably imagine). Hence, the turn in Foucault from discussing models of historical understanding to power Power POWER is one I usually don't follow him down. You, dear readers, are more than welcome to, and address the points I've made in light of developments further down the line.

Second thing Rufo said, also of interest:

"If I was to respond to the post, I think the more interesting component is the means and reach of its dissemination, and that would involve very little thoughts regarding/from Foucault."

Yes, exactly. Y'all are more than welcome to open this discussion as well, since (as the post I trackbacked to it asserts) this is one of the reasons I initially asked this to be cross-posted, er, everywhere?

Posted by: Scott Eric Kaufman | Oct 9, 2005 12:09:23 PM

You realize of course, Scott, that falling for this appeal for what seems like further meta-debate, insofar as there are things that could be said, consistently allows "us" to be vulnerable to the charge (however patently false) of merely "nitpicking" don't you?

What is your exact tone here? That is, are you "testing" "our" "authority" as a Foucault (or "Theory"??) blog in some way?

Or are you genuinely and humbly asking for advice? or feedback of any sort whatsoever, simply wishing to chat about Foucault?

Could it be a little of both? What exactly is your larger aim and project here, if one may ask?

Posted by: Gwen | Oct 9, 2005 1:22:34 PM

Gwen, it's an appeal, not a trap: you need have no fear of falling for or into anything. I'm not testing anything at all with this post; in fact, I'm trying to answer, substantively, a question Mark had about my characterization of Foucault. I suspected that a sustained effort to do so would be an act of good faith. If you find my account inaccurate or dated, then by all means, say so. I'm not asking for advice, per se, but I am looking to start a discussion about the merits of what Foucault, and, in his wake, I have written.

My "larger aim," then, is to allay the suspicions which caused you to ask what my "larger aim" was.

As for my tone in this post, it's pretty much the tone I employ in all of my academic writing (with a few blog cracks thrown in for the kids): namely, one of sustained engagement with and respect for the person whose work I'm examining. Sure, I'm making (half) of a sustained argument, so my tone may sound argumentative, but if you look at what I've written, I'm merely turning early Foucault against late; it's difficult for me to imagine (unless I'm just a sophist, which I'm not) how that could be construed as disrepectful of Foucault's thought. Tout au contraire, I think it means I'm engaging his work honestly and finding his later work not up to the standards of his earlier.

Posted by: Scott Eric Kaufman | Oct 9, 2005 1:35:07 PM

Two quick things:

1) You mention "some abstractive impulse at the heart of Anglo-American Theory" and then remark in passing that you're "not too inclined (yet) to attribute such a thing to American Theory" [not sure I understand exactly how what follows the "because" here, follows--can you elaborate?]

But are you suggesting this "abstractive impulse" has something to do with "Theory" or Anglo-America, more than with language or translation (or maybe the politics of translation)? And that the results of this impulse are primarily negative ones? I don't follow.


2) "We cannot transcend our limits, or even ever be fully cognizant of them. Therefore, even if we try to transcend them, not only would we never be entirely sure what it is we’d be trying to transcend; we’d be damn sure (according to Foucault) that we wouldn’t be able to do anything even if we did."

I'm not sure how this follows either. Isn't Foucault articulating a sort of philosophical aporia (or "bottleneck") that is, from one perspective at least, rather well-established by now, by various thinkers, some of whom would insist that "do[ing]" something is indeed still possible and necessary?

Is a redemption of the notion of "transcendence" (with all its conceptual baggage fully intact) really the only possible solution or response to this dilemma? (What meaning precisely did F. wish to retain in using this word? And how if at all does your meaning differ?)

You know, Foucault was always sort of setting himself up for impossibly huge projects, was he not? (Derrida remarks on this in _The Work of Mourning_ and elsewhere I think.) One wonders why he tended to do this, and whether it constitutes a weakness on his part. Is it symptomatic, to the degree of negating the worth of his entire project? Well. Maybe it's just not the most productive place to look, if one is interested in learning what we can from Foucault?

Finally, is it just possible that you have it backwards? That your wish to use the elder Foucault (or some version of the elder, yet to appear fully) against the younger reverses what may in fact be the truth: that Foucault the elder understands the implications of his own thoughts more deeply, and not less deeply? In any case, might there be any historical explanations at least that might help account for the shift you and others detect?

These are just off-the-cuff thoughts, and hoping to help jumpstart the conversation, if it is to take place. I enjoyed your post, Scott, and look forward to the follow-up.

Posted by: Matt | Oct 9, 2005 3:03:47 PM

Matt, thanks for the considered response. To address your first question:

"You mention 'some abstractive impulse at the heart of Anglo-American Theory' and then remark in passing that you're 'not too inclined (yet) to attribute such a thing to American Theory' [not sure I understand exactly how what follows the "because" here, follows--can you elaborate?]"

That was a little too implication-dense: what I meant to say is that I do believe Anglo-American proponents of Theory suffer from an abstractive impulse of the sort which would lead them to translate what had been, in two other languages, a reference to the historical period known as "the Englightenment," into a conceptual notion of Foucauldian "enlightenment." However, since Foucault's essay updates the Kantian account of "the Enlightenment" by showing how what Kant had done--treat the present philosophical moment with the same philosophical acumen he had brought to the past--there is justification for saying that Foucault himself creates some new conceptual entity known as "enlightenment"...that said, I think the license the translator took with Foucault's original title sketchy in a familiar way.

As to whether this relates to "Theory" or "Anglo-American Theory," as we've discussed before, I think we can collapse those two, and I can point to the building as evidence that I'm not simply being dictatorial. To repeat (one version, still tracking this one down) what I quoted from Spivak the other night:

"Whatever I might say about Theory versus the NH [new historicism] is a sort of echo without an origin, because my point of reference is the rather elaborately stage-managed conference held at the University of California at Irvine in May 1987, where I was not present. As I believe Derrida himself surmised at the conference, the conflict between New Historicism and Theory can be narrowed down to a turf battle between Berkeley and Irvine."

At Irvine, we have Theory, Theorists, and buildings with the word "Theory" plastered on them. So yes (this is more for the benefit of the general audience than you, personally, Matt), I do think there's this thing called Theory, and that it's distinct from the Continental tradition in a number of ways...foremost among them, a love of abstraction for abstraction's sake. (I'll have more to say about this in my follow-up, which should be coming sometime in the next day or two. But feel free to address this in more detail now, as it'll help me think through things.) I'm going to post this now, then move onto the next subject you address.

Posted by: Scott Eric Kaufman | Oct 9, 2005 3:53:56 PM

"Isn't Foucault articulating a sort of philosophical aporia (or 'bottleneck') that is, from one perspective at least, rather well-established by now, by various thinkers, some of whom would insist that 'do[ing]' something is indeed still possible and necessary?"

I think he believed action possible and necessary, but that he didn't think such action capable of changing anything. Given his earlier work, I see his statements about the "critical ontology of the self" amounting to something like: "we have a moral obligation to bang our heads against this wall forever even though we know it will long outlast us." It sounds, as I said, um, somewhere, like the desperation of a wishful-thinker who cannot, despite his best efforts, avoid the implications of his arguments.

Another way to make this case (and this begins to address your later point about whether I'm underestimating Foucault the Elder) would be to do what I'll be doing: working through the scholars who appropriated Foucauldian thought. In this respect, I anticipated Kenneth's criticism, because I knew the problems I addressed had been addressed, at length, before. Only I'm more aware of the tradition in literary studies--my acquaintance with Agamben, for example, meaning "I've been introduced to him at a faculty function four years previously." What I'm going to demonstrate is that the New Historical tradition attempted to import Foucault's discourses and, ultimately unsuccessfully, find some way to reconcile them with his later work on power. I think you can have one or the other, and that there's a much stronger case for his pessimism than his optimism.

"Is a redemption of the notion of 'transcendence' (with all its conceptual baggage fully intact) really the only possible solution or response to this dilemma? (What meaning precisely did F. wish to retain in using this word? And how if at all does your meaning differ?)"

I don't think my definition differs from his, which I take to mean the standard position that there is no "standard position" from which one can identify a "standard position." You're always part of the system you're trying to escape, and you can either accept that and do the best with what you have (the "let's work within the Democratic Party" variant) or tell people that they must forever try to escape, think the unthinkable, partake of the "unthought" of which RIPope and Kevin are so fond. I think the latter possesses an escapist pleasure not unlike the one which compels adolescent males to misread Nietzsche vehemently: its an ennobling act in a historical moment when the possibility of action is corrupted by the environs in which it would have to occur ("change the Democratic Party from within").

In other words, I see a need to redeem "transcendence" so much as alter the binary by which it and blind, naive complicity with extant powers are the only alternatives. The concept of "subversive," while not nearly so clean as "transcendence" or ennobling as "intellectual self-immolation," is far more powerful to my mind.

I hope this has made some sense. If I've unwittingly offended anyone, keep in mind that I did so unwittingly, and am more than happy to clarify; if my position itself offends, then keep in mind that I'm more than willing to discuss it at greater length so that we may come to understand the nature of our differences while respecting the processes by which we've come to have them.

Posted by: Scott Eric Kaufman | Oct 9, 2005 4:19:43 PM

Being a reader of Hardt and Negri, Scott, undoubtedly you've seen this:

http://slash.autonomedia.org/print.pl?sid=04/10/11/1336257

"The last works of Foucault had a great influence on me, I believe that what I have just told you about Empire demonstrates this. Allow me to tell you a memory, a weird one: in the middle of the 1970s, I wrote an article on Foucault in Italy — on what today is called the “first Foucault”, the Foucault of the archaeology of the human sciences. I tried to point out the limits of this type of investigation and hoped for a kind of step forward, a stronger insistence on the production of subjectivity. At the time, I was myself trying to exit a Marxism which, even if it were deeply innovative on the theoretical ground — since it wondered whether a “Marx beyond Marx” was possible —, still presented on the terrain of militant practice, the risk of terrible errors..."

"For us, but I think for the social movements of today too, the importance of the last works of Foucault is thus exceptional. Genealogy loses its speculative character and here becomes political — a critical ontology of ourselves —, epistemology is “constitutive”, ethics assumes “transformative” dimensions. After the death of God, we wait for the rebirth of man. But it is not a question of a new humanism; it is rather a question of reinventing man within a new ontology: it is on the ruins of modern teleology that we recover a materialist telos."

Posted by: anon | Oct 10, 2005 1:37:35 PM

"I think he believed action possible and necessary, but that he didn't think such action capable of changing anything. Given his earlier work, I see his statements about the "critical ontology of the self" amounting to something like: "we have a moral obligation to bang our heads against this wall forever even though we know it will long outlast us."

Scott, do you have any evidence for this? Can you give an example of an action that *doesn't change anything* (or have I misunderstood you)? Do you honestly think that Foucault was advocating head/wall banging as a "moral obligation" or are you just trying to provoke someone or other.

Posted by: Matt | Oct 10, 2005 1:42:58 PM

Contra your faith in me, anonymous reader, I haven't seen that. Nor am I sure what to make of it here: are you suggesting an argument from authority by association? That is, because I've read Hardt and Negri I necessarily agree with them, and since Negri disagrees with me (something I already knew, given the importance of biopower to Hardt and Negri's conception of empire), I'm somehow wrong?

See? I'm tempted to do it too, i.e. argue in bad faith. But you know what, I notice I feel the urge to do so much more when people present information anonymously. You need not use your real name, but at least, like CR, you can use a consistent handle; that way, I'll feel like I'm conversing with a person instead of a thing. Or a little Lego person, as the case may be. Somehow, I find it easier to take the voice of Lego Matt (the image I have in mind when I write to him) seriously than "anonymous."

Posted by: Scott Eric Kaufman | Oct 10, 2005 1:50:27 PM

"Do you honestly think that Foucault was advocating head/wall banging as a "moral obligation" or are you just trying to provoke someone or other."

Matt, I'm not trying to provoke anyone. I honestly believe that Foucault was grasping at straws to overcome a pessimism born of his own philosophical thought. This isn't an indictment of Foucault, so much as an observation about the difference between his early and late work. The idea that discourses could be overcome, that there is something outside of their interplay which we should strive for, would've been foreign to Foucault in the early '60s, but it becomes his standard line of argument after '68. I find his earlier work far more convincingly in an empirical sense, i.e. it jibes with what I've observed in the archives; in his later work I find him struggling to overcome the conclusions he'd drawn, and given their strength, I believe he fails to do so. To continue to advocate, as he does, the attempt to overcome them sounds to me like advocating hardcore head on wall action.

I'm unclear what's provocative about saying Foucault is right on this point, so very wrong on this other one...and that these points are related.

Posted by: Scott Eric Kaufman | Oct 10, 2005 1:58:12 PM

Scott, with all due respect, I wasn't arguing anything of the sort. Only wondering (we are still allowed to wonder?) what you made of Negri's article, as it seemed-to me at least-to rather directly contradict what you were saying. That is all.

I fail to see what my anonymity has to do with anything.

Posted by: anonymouse | Oct 10, 2005 2:14:53 PM

Hey Scott, just out of curiousity which lego Matt are you addressing (seeing as there've been several)? Not the bald one I hope!

Posted by: Matt | Oct 10, 2005 2:20:14 PM

I don't really have time to get fully into this, but I agree with scott that there's an aporia there at the end of Foucault. The uncanny jump from the end of hist of sex I to the start of hist of sex II enacts this aporia. Even sex is closed off, written -> auto-poeisis, technology of the self.

Very strange.

Judy Butler's work provides one sort of answer auto-poeisis is... The norm / performative disruption... The key is the realization that Power is diffuse, not somewhere else, but right here in our compulsory reperformance of the same. But there may be tactics, according to Butler, that insert a little bit of difference into the incessant reiteration...

It's a very liberal answer. So is Foucault's, I think, in the end. In a sense, the turn of the last works is exactly the turn that left politics took in the wake of the failures of '68. Mass mobilization -> cultiver ton jardin.

(I just thought of a paper that I'm totally going to write: Houellebecq is totally writing the day after the late-Foucauldian turn... hmmm....)

Every materialist, when he wants to get back to political praxis, has to make a leap of some sort. Because foreclosure is the name of the game. Benjamin's got his messianism, Foucault has his autopoeisis... etc etc etc.

Anyway - that's my working understanding of late foucault.

Posted by: CR | Oct 10, 2005 2:22:30 PM

Anonymouse, better than anonymous, you're certainly still allowed to wonder. Only when you anonymously present, sans gloss, long quotations, I'm left to wonder what I'm supposed to make of them.

Anyhow, yes, Negri and I disagree. Negri's work often strikes me as naive on this point, i.e. all Foucauldian optimism without the deep grounding in Foucauldian pessimism. Also, Negri doesn't contradict my point, he merely asserts that Foucault and Deleuze & Guattari created a model of political agency and action which he finds compelling. He's welcome to, but there's no defense of the reason why he finds it compelling (outside, oddly enough, of political convenience born of historical contingency) either in that article or Empire. In both, the existence of biopower is asserted via a reference to Foucault, but nowhere is its existence explained; its dynamics are, but never its existence. In short, my evaluation of Empire is much the same as my evaluation of late Foucault: much assertion and good faith wishful thinking, but not much in the way of empirical evidence that the entities whose existence are granted actually exist.

Just so you don't think me more of a curmudgeon than I actually am, let me explain it this way: early Foucault convincs me, by dint of the evidence he provides, of the assertions he makes; late Foucault tries to convince me of something for which he has no evidence, so his arguments fall flat. I'm not criticizing Foucault per se, only a tendency in his late thought absent from his early. Negri and Hardt take their cues from the latter, and that's one of Empire's central flaws.

Posted by: Scott Eric Kaufman | Oct 10, 2005 2:44:19 PM

I suggest Foucault, early or late (though agreeing his earlier things on medicine and psychiatry seem more plausible and coherent) embodies the errors of postmodernism in a fairly straightforward manner, and that these errors should be bothersome not only to the expected analytical types but to progressives, be they greens or marxist-oriented. A clinical investigation of pathopsychology, establishing say how "Power" ( Foucault never defines this term adequately really) operates in the individual, or providing evidence of widespread sadistic or fascist impulses and desires, deviance of extreme types, etc. would be valuable and ueful to some extent, and someone like Milgram or Tversky, Freud in Civilization and it Discontents, proceeded in such a fashion; Foucault does not. In classic continentalist style, he begins with grand generalizations, about doctors, about myths and the Enlightenment, about the Revolution. There is little to no data given and since it's philosophy people simply assume that what he says is accurate; I hardly think any doctor would agree with his portrayal of the doctor-priest nor with his little kvethces about clinics and institutions. But once the ball is rolling the "ideas," however unsubstantiated and conjectural and broad, sort of gain a force of their own and poof it becomes accepted dogma; grad students study it and write dissertations on it, though never actually bother to prove it. Thus the postmodernist idea--never really confirmed or verified or shown to be falsifiable--becomes a sort canonical law, or at least authority of some strange type. And in a rather serious manner such postmod dogma prevents mroe authentic types of data-oriented economic or psychological assessment and research.

Posted by: phred | Oct 10, 2005 3:31:26 PM

Scott, thank you for the clarification on your position vis a vis Negri.

If I may return to something you said earlier:

"The idea that discourses could be overcome, that there is something outside of their interplay which we should strive for, would've been foreign to Foucault in the early '60s, but it becomes his standard line of argument after '68."

My question is simply this, and it relates to the question of what is meant by "transcendence:" Are you absolutely certain that Foucault is arguing for an *overcoming* in his later works, and if so what form exactly does this overcoming take? I am not saying you are wrong, necessarily, only wondering about the oppositions you seem to be comfortable using.

I would further suggest that when you dismiss an 'outside' in this manner (as that which allegedly occupies the later Foucault), you must realize that you are also dismissing (or may seem to be dismissing) an entire legacy of (primarily French) thought to some degree, one that extends from Blanchot to Agamben and Derrida and others.

Which is not to say that your criticism of H+N is invalid, certainly it has been made before, but only to suggest that there are bigger (and much more difficult) fish to fry with this claim, as you are probably aware. I apologize if this (the so-called 'thought from the outside') is not what you intended to address by your reference to an outside, but you must appreciate how it might seem that way.

Posted by: Anony Mouse | Oct 10, 2005 5:29:12 PM

Anon, well said. Thanks.

Posted by: Amie | Oct 10, 2005 7:06:11 PM

Scott, can you just say a little more about what you mean by this:

"the most contested elements of his early thought: the extent to which any individual discourse factors into the formation of autonomous subjects."

Also, what's the Foucault text on Humanism?

Posted by: fooco | Oct 11, 2005 7:10:14 AM

(Re: "Modernity" esp)

http://dogmat.blogspot.com/2005/10/to-be-modern-is-not-to-accept-oneself.html

http://lmergner.blogspot.com/2005/10/order-is-at-one-and-same-time-that.html

Posted by: SimplyNoted WithoutComment | Oct 11, 2005 10:53:50 AM

Matt says y'all think I've blown the coop. I haven't...it's been a busy week. I host the History Carnival tomorrow, but after that, I'll finish the second part of my little series (complete with responses to the questions raised here which I haven't responded to yet).

Posted by: Scott Eric Kaufman | Oct 14, 2005 9:17:59 PM

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