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s0metim3s

Yes, this is populism.

mark

so what's the story? the Hsmoneans were actually a Jewish Taliban? invites the question whether the Afghan jihad was really a national liberation struggle, or what.

Alain

Marc, you raise a good question. I am not qualified to answer it as an expert in Jewish history, but I suspect that this example points to the difficulty of identifying popular resistance. That is not to say that we can not distinguish a progressive movement from a reactionary one, but that one person's liberation struggle is another one's jihad. In the present example, the issue that would need clarification is the extent to which the "hellenized Jews" were involved in the exploitation and repression of the Hsmoneans. To the degree that they were, this could be considered a liberation movement. To the degree it was simply a revolt against "modernization," however defined, the rebels would be closer to Afghan Jihadists. And perhaps this also shows that the current Jihadists are a genuine mix of freedom fighter and fundamentalist.

I realize this is a simplification of a religious/cultural event but that is what I think is the basic distinction to be drawn. And this is also the difficulty we face today when looking at religiously inspired movements that resist neoliberalism. Can a movement be reactionary and liberatory at the same time? I am not sure but I suspect that a reactionary movement can have liberating affects. If that makes sense?

s0metim3s

Doesn't the figure of the 'hellenised Jew' segue into that of the 'rootless cosmopolitain Jew'? Which both National Socialists and early Zionists were both derogatory of.

And, there were indeed left-wing versions of National Socialism that justified their anti-semitism on the grounds that Jews were rich and therefore exploitative - but this in no way makes them liberatory.

In any case, I'm not sure it's that difficult to distinguish between so-called reactionary and liberatory movements. The assumption that 'national liberation struggles' are indeed liberatory is a fiction. Not just because it's a question of different perspectives, surely. But because every 'national liberation struggle' requires the liquidation or suppression of alterity within the construction of national space. That this liquidation is sometimes wrapped in ostensibly anti-colonial rhetorics should not confuse anyone - take Mugabe, for instance.

Frankly, I do not understand the gullibility.

Alain

Angela, in all seriousness, perhaps I am being very gullibile. I certainly am not justifying anti-semitism in the guise of revolution. But I think the rabbi that I am quoting raises what I think is a legitimate question: can we envision some sort of group identity, that remains distinct, and yet is also part of the larger community (however defined)? And can this be accomplished without violence? Perhaps it is gullible to think this is worthy of discussion or that we inevitably end up with the quasi-mysticism of Walter Benjamin, and a more originary "divine" violence.

I would like to ask you,(without revisiting the entire populism discussion of a few weeks back), do you think there is a form of resistance that does not succomb to a reactionary populism?

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