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Amish Lovelock

I think you might have jumped the bandwagon here. You've read Foucault against Benjamin, whereas I have a hunch it might be more interesting to read Benjamin through Foucault. Otherwise you are just inviting a strange teleology - as if all that Benjamin asked was for a return to life before law. Even if that is what he was asking the question is different after Foucault, right? This is surely where Agamben is. Yes - biopolitics and therefore the realm of "means without ends" etc...

To say that Foucault might be read as a critique of Benjamin doesn't mean that Benjaminian questions are impossible, or irrelevant post-Foucault. If so, then what does this mean? I didn't get it.

Kenneth Rufo

Good point Amish, this is one of those interrogations that makes a lot more sense from the standpoint of the interrogator than it does the scene of the interrogatee.

Paul, is this just a prelude to Agamben, or is something different at work here, or something distinct at stake?

Paul Passavant

Amish and Kenneth:

Benjamin is struggling to escape the cycle between law making and law preserving violence, and the suggestion he makes for this escape is what he calls divine violence which, as I read him, is a move beyond law to justice. Are these questions no longer relevant? They are very relevant today. For example, Derrida describes deconstruction as the experience of this justice beyond law, but for Derrida, when we calculate and make decisions to try to do justice to a particular situation, our intervention (say, through law) is necessarily not fully just. In other words, for Derrida and for myself,Benjamin's work presents both a troubling and productive problematic to work through. While Agamben and Derrida might be said to touch on the question of divine violence/ justice, the two diverge significantly from there. That is, Agamben aspires, as did Benjamin, to escape the cycle of law making and law preserving violence and what Benjamin calls divine violence is where Agamben would like to refound political ontology. Derrida would say this is impossible. The best we can do is experience justice in the moments of deconstruction but we are compelled (in the name of justice) to make decisions and to decide we must calculate and therefore the decision will never *be* justice; indeed, law is how we temporal beings try to do justice (but never get there). So yes, Agamben was on my mind with my post, and I would want to cut off that messianic move at the pass.

discard the name

Paul, you oppose Benjamin/Agamben (attempt at a political ontology outside law-making/-preserving violence) to Derrida (deconstructive experience of outside law, etc) -- i agree that the opposition is there, but the determination of one side or the other, it seems to me that it's basically a matter of choice, will, decision, and so on. Are you basically saying, I prefer Derrida to Benjamin/Agamben, or is there something else?

Also, as for "cutting off the messianic move at the pass," why? Isn't this idea that we want justice, but can never really be immanent within it, that we must know that we "never get there" -- isn't this basically liberalism, the logic justifying an indefinite deferral of justice for the sake of a lesser, but more real, justice? (I've always taken Derrida as basically a liberal...)

Paul Passavant

discard the name,

while I do prefer Derrida to Agamben on this question, it isn't just an arbitrary whim--I side with Derrida for theoretical reasons. The moment we *calculate* and render a decision reflecting this calculation, the decision is (necessarily) limited in time and in light of the info we could take into account and so forth, which means that the decision is inadequate to the infinity that would be total justice. That strikes me as correct. We can experience what justice might entail through the ordeal of trying to make the right decision, but once we make it, as Derrida argues in the Force of Law (version in Acts of Religion) or in his work on the Gift, we have not done total justice.

As for isn't this just liberalism, well, it might be or it might be more depending. What I appreciate in Derrida is that an intervention, to be successful, occurs in context, in a specific place and time and so even a revolutionary must avail him or her self of the mechanisms of making oneself understood to others in this here and now, even if to constitute something new as in a performative speech act (and he likens founding a new state or a revolution to a performative speech act that relies on certain conditions for its possible success). In other words, the messianic move in Benjamin, and I think in Agamben, is an attempt to abstract ourselves from our current situation and seems to me to be a wish that it would be better to start somewhere else. Unfortuntely, we aren't there, we are here, and we need to get from where we are to some place better and that won't happen if we are waiting to be saved from our current predicament by something totally new.

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