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I would like to bounce off of Matt's heads-up about Bérubé, titled "Serious students need fear not (at least not yet)" below. Bérubé, for those who don't know, has written a critical, though certainly not 'trashing', review of Theory's Empire, the recently published anthology that wears its hostility to Theory, aka postmodernism, etc., on its sleeve. The discussion in the comments section to that post is interesting, and I urge everyone to take a look if inclined.
The question that discussion raises for me reminds me of an intellectual test that can be performed when thinking about the criticisms that 'postmodernism' and 'theory' tends to attract.
To apply this test, I chose a highly favorable review of Theory's Empire by Michael Potemra, National Review, July 4, 2005.
Here's the relevant excerpt for the purposes of my test:
"What really damages deconstructionist criticism," writes Morris Dickstein in one of the essays, is "its remoteness from texts, its use of them as interchangeable occasions for a theoretical trajectory which always returns to the same points of origin, the same indeterminacy and happy multiplicity.... Skeptical of interpretation, the critic remains faithful to the sound of his voice, the invitation some texts offer to his resourceful cleverness." Many academic maladies--politicization, sexualization, identity politics--are diagnosed by the contributors, who sometimes bring to light hilarious examples of scholarly nonsense. For example, in his essay on "queer theory," Lee Siegel recounts what theorist Eve Kosofsky Sedgwick made of a certain passage in the writings of Henry James. Aged 62, visiting California and looking forward to returning home full of material to reflect on and write about, James wrote in a notebook: "My long dusty adventure over, I shall be able to [plunge] my hand, my arm, in, deep and far, and up to the shoulder--into the heavy bag of remembrance--of suggestion--of imagination--of art." Sedgwick explains this passage as demonstrating "how in James a greater self-knowledge and a greater acceptance and specificity of homosexual desire transform this half-conscious enforcing rhetoric of anality, numbness, and silence, into a much richer, pregnant address to James's male muse, an invocation to fisting-as-ecriture." One need not be committed a priori to the idea that James was a heterosexual to recognize that this is worthless pap.
" . . . fisting-as-ecriture" -- one must admit that it invites ridicule. And yet you have to wonder what approach to literature the author is endorsing, and to what extent other approaches are being excluded. How far does the author (and those who agree with him) want to go? What do they actually suggest a student of these matters (such as intepretation) do?
Let's ask 'how far' first. That is, if we dismiss this particular act of interpretation (the one about James above), we've only started the discussion. Let's say we set up a continuum
ABSURDNESS SCALE
|--not-so-absurd interpretation-----------------------------utterly absurd interpretation--|
The farther you go to the right, the more absurd an interpretation; the more to the left, the less absurd. Let's put fisting-ecriture way over on the right-hand side, at least for a moment! Here's my question: how far to the left do critics of interpretation want us to go on the scale? For example, do the authors of the anthology and those who agree with them want to go as far as Gadamer? But doesn't Gadamer talk about the need for (not his term) creative reconstructions of a community's interaction with a horizon of tradition-derived possibilities? "And ain't that an interpretation?" But surely Gadamer must be put somewhere to the left-of-center (that is, less absurd).
Take another bumper sticker postmodern view (this really should be a bumper sticker) "I believe in the social construction of reality." As if other people don't believe in the social construction of reality. The real question isn't "is there or isn't there any influence on the real world we live in by our social interactions." Clearly, the answer is: yes, there is. The question is: how much? What's the floor of the human contribution to the construction of its own reality? Someone might think there's less than a lot, others more than a little. So: if someone quotes a thinker who takes the notion of the social construction of reality a bit too far -- so as, for instance, to claim that one has only to think that a train isn't coming towards you in order to escape injury, when in fact a train is coming towards you -- we will want to know what the conclusion from that instance is supposed to be.
But now I'm finally getting to the test I mentioned earlier. Here it is: "When someone criticizes a postmodern theorist for some putatively outlandish view, try to think of another thinker from the very canon that the critic wishes would reestablish its sway over the academy who says pretty much the same thing. If you can think of someone like that, it's a sure sign that the critic of postmodernism is not going up against the real thing, and can be safely dismissed."
And so the challenge is: who from the tradition that we all love and would want to have in a "classics of western thinking" course says something anywhere near as strange as the "enchantee-fisting" comment proudly waved by Mr. Potrema above?
Freud. Now it's no mistake I've chosen someone from the 'interpretive' trend in Western thought. But this is exactly my point: I would like to know what these critics are actually thinking -- or if they are thinking at all about the theoretical stances they are implicitly, by default, embracing, under the cover of accusing postmodernists of being bullies.
And it's also no mistake whatsoever that I've chosen a thinker who is more likely to be friendly to the kind of analysis Eve Kosofsky Sedgwick engages in above, the author of the image of the 'fisting-ecriture' that sounds 'silly'. What does Freud say that's so incredibly silly? Such that if critics of postmodernism want to dismiss Sedgwick, they are also goddarn it logically committed to dismissing Freud, Gadamer, Mannheim, Weber, Marx, and the list goes on, but here let's just stick to Freud.
We all know what Freud says that's silly -- it is one of the most successful silly theories of all time. So successful did this silly theory become, that it became true.
It would be easy to point to the well known Oedipus complex as the example of Freud's utter weirdness and intepretive license. Interpretive 'license' hardly captures it. The guy basically imposed a way of thinking about -- interpreting -- ourselves that lives on to this day. What a giant. Can anyone imagine a "classics of western civilization" course that didn't include Civilization and its discontents? I can't. And yet it and other equally essential writings are based on an interpretive freedom that is breathtaking.
Why are people sick? Unresolved issues from a son-mother-dad love triangle that no one knew they belonged to! Do you want to talk about insane? Do you want to talk about the incoherent ravings of a socio-pathic lunatic? Read Freud!
But that's too easy and so lets refer to another moment, from Freud's breakthrough work, The Interpretation of Dreams. The word 'interpretation' is right in there. The year is 1901. That's what I want to know: do critics of postmodernism want to go back to before 1901? The same way Rehnquist wanted to get back to pre-New Deal legal thought? Here's Freud. It's way too much text, but on the other hand, it's very 'literary.'
One evening a friend of mine called to see me; one of those colleagues whose fate I had regarded as a warning. As he had long been a candidate for promotion to the professorate (which in our society makes the doctor a demigod to his patients), and as he was less resigned than I, he was accustomed from time to time to remind the authorities of his claims in the hope of advancing his interests. It was after one of these visits that he called on me. He said that this time he had driven the exalted gentleman into a corner, and had asked him frankly whether considerations of religious denomination were not really responsible for the postponement of his appointment. The answer was: His Excellency had to admit that in the present state of public opinion he was not in a position, etc. "Now at least I know where I stand," my friend concluded his narrative, which told me nothing new, but which was calculated to confirm me in my resignation. For the same denominational considerations would apply to my own case.
On the morning after my friend's visit I had the following dream, which was notable also on account of its form. It consisted of two thoughts and two images, so that a thought and an image emerged alternately. But here I shall record only the first half of the dream, since the second half has no relation to the purpose for which I cite the dream.
I. My friend R is my uncle- I have a great affection for him.
II. I see before me his face, somewhat altered. It seems to be elongated; a yellow beard, which surrounds it, is seen with peculiar distinctness.
Then follow the other two portions of the dream, again a thought and an image, which I omit.
The interpretation of this dream was arrived at in the following manner:
When I recollected the dream in the course of the morning, I laughed outright and said, "The dream is nonsense." But I could not get it out of my mind, and I was pursued by it all day, until at last, in the evening, I reproached myself in these words: "If in the course of a dream-interpretation one of your patients could find nothing better to say than 'That is nonsense,' you would reprove him, and you would suspect that behind the dream there was hidden some disagreeable affair, the exposure of which he wanted to spare himself. Apply the same thing to your own case; your opinion that the dream is nonsense probably signifies merely an inner resistance to its interpretation. Don't let yourself be put off." I then proceeded with the interpretation.
R is my uncle. What can that mean? I had only one uncle, my uncle Joseph. * His story, to be sure, was a sad one. Once, more than thirty years ago, hoping to make money, he allowed himself to be involved in transactions of a kind which the law punishes severely, and paid the penalty. My father, whose hair turned grey with grief within a few days, used always to say that uncle Joseph had never been a bad man, but, after all, he was a simpleton. If, then, my friend R is my uncle Joseph, that is equivalent to saying: "R is a simpleton." Hardly credible, and very disagreeable! But there is the face that I saw in the dream, with its elongated features and its yellow beard. My uncle actually had such a face- long, and framed in a handsome yellow beard. My friend R was extremely swarthy, but when black-haired people begin to grow grey they pay for the glory of their youth. Their black beards undergo an unpleasant change of colour, hair by hair; first they turn a reddish brown, then a yellowish brown, and then definitely grey. My friend R's beard is now in this stage; so, for that matter, is my own, a fact which I note with regret. The face that I see in my dream is at once that of my friend R and that of my uncle. It is like one of those composite photographs of Galton's; in order to emphasize family resemblances Galton had several faces photographed on the same plate. No doubt is now possible; it is really my opinion that my friend R is a simpleton- like my uncle Joseph.
* It is astonishing to see how my memory here restricts itself- in the waking state!- for the purposes of analysis. I have known five of my uncles and I loved and honoured one of them. But at the moment when I overcame my resistance to the interpretation of the dream, I said to myself: "I have only one uncle, the one who is intended in the dream."
I have still no idea for what purpose I have worked out this relationship. It is certainly one to which I must unreservedly object. Yet it is not very profound, for my uncle was a criminal, and my friend R is not, except in so far as he was once fined for knocking down an apprentice with his bicycle. Can I be thinking of this offence? That would make the comparison ridiculous. Here I recollect another conversation, which I had some days ago with another colleague, N; as a matter of fact, on the same subject. I met N in the street; he, too, has been nominated for a professorship, and having heard that I had been similarly honoured he congratulated me. I refused his congratulations, saying: "You are the last man to jest about the matter, for you know from your own experience what the nomination is worth." Thereupon he said, though probably not in earnest; "You can't be sure of that. There is a special objection in my case. Don't you know that a woman once brought a criminal accusation against me? I need hardly assure you that the matter was put right. It was a mean attempt at blackmail, and it was all I could do to save the plaintiff from punishment. But it may be that the affair is remembered against me at the Ministry. You, on the other hand, are above reproach." Here, then, I have the criminal, and at the same time the interpretation and tendency of my dream. My uncle Joseph represents both of my colleagues who have not been appointed to the professorship- the one as a simpleton, the other as a criminal. Now, too, I know for what purpose I need this representation. If denominational considerations are a determining factor in the postponement of my two friends' appointment, then my own appointment is likewise in jeopardy. But if I can refer the rejection of my two friends to other causes, which do not apply to my own case, my hopes are unaffected. This is the procedure followed by my dream: it makes the one friend R, a simpleton, and the other, N, a criminal. But since I am neither one nor the other, there is nothing in common between us. I have a right to enjoy my appointment to the title of professor, and have avoided the distressing application to my own case of the information which the official gave to my friend R.
I must pursue the interpretation of this dream still farther; for I have a feeling that it is not yet satisfactorily elucidated. I still feel disquieted by the ease with which I have degraded two respected colleagues in order to clear my own way to the professorship. My dissatisfaction with this procedure has, of course, been mitigated since I have learned to estimate the testimony of dreams at its true value. I should contradict anyone who suggested that I really considered R a simpleton, or that I did not believe N's account of the blackmailing incident. And of course I do not believe that Irma has been made seriously ill by an injection of a preparation of propyl administered by Otto. Here, as before, what the dream expresses is only my wish that things might be so. The statement in which my wish is realized sounds less absurd in the second dream than in the first; it is here made with a skilful use of actual points of support in establishing something like a plausible slander, one of which one could say that "there is something in it." For at that time my friend R had to contend with the adverse vote of a university professor of his own department, and my friend N had himself, all unsuspectingly, provided me with material for the calumny. Nevertheless, I repeat, it still seems to me that the dream requires further elucidation.
I remember now that the dream contained yet another portion which has hitherto been ignored by the interpretation. After it occurred to me that my friend R was my uncle, I felt in the dream a great affection for him. To whom is this feeling directed? For my uncle Joseph, of course, I have never had any feelings of affection. R has for many years been a dearly loved friend, but if I were to go to him and express my affection for him in terms approaching the degree of affection which I felt in the dream, he would undoubtedly be surprised. My affection, if it was for him, seems false and exaggerated, as does my judgment of his intellectual qualities, which I expressed by merging his personality in that of my uncle; but exaggerated in the opposite direction. Now, however, a new state of affairs dawns upon me. The affection in the dream does not belong to the latent content, to the thoughts behind the dream; it stands in opposition to this content; it is calculated to conceal the knowledge conveyed by the interpretation. Probably this is precisely its function. I remember with what reluctance I undertook the interpretation, how long I tried to postpone it, and how I declared the dream to be sheer nonsense. I know from my psycho-analytic practice how such a condemnation is to be interpreted. It has no informative value, but merely expresses an affect. If my little daughter does not like an apple which is offered her, she asserts that the apple is bitter, without even tasting it. If my patients behave thus, I know that we are dealing with an idea which they are trying to repress. The same thing applies to my dream. I do not want to interpret it because there is something in the interpretation to which I object. After the interpretation of the dream is completed, I discover what it was to which I objected; it was the assertion that R is a simpleton. I can refer the affection which I feel for R not to the latent dream-thoughts, but rather to this unwillingness of mine. If my dream, as compared with its latent content, is disguised at this point, and actually misrepresents things by producing their opposites, then the manifest affection in the dream serves the purpose of the misrepresentation: in other words, the distortion is here shown to be intentional- it is a means of disguise. My dream-thoughts of R are derogatory, and so that I may not become aware of this the very opposite of defamation- a tender affection for him- enters into the dream.
I apologize again for the length, but I hope those who read this see my point: Freud engages in just as much 'literary' license concerning his dream as Sedgwick does of James.
By John Ransom | February 14, 2006 in Academia, Dialogues, Doltishness, Fashionable Nonesense, Literary Theory, Postmodernism | Permalink
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John, my worry is that the 'bad guys' in your post might happily agree that Freud is ridiculous. (But, as you suggest, this gets complicated--someone told Jean (at Columbia) that the only thing psychoanalysis is good for is literary criticism. That's cute insofar as the pol sci folks want to delegitimize it by pushing it over to the lit types, some of whom want to disavow it even further!)
How about another approach: I read a great disseration this fall on 'lubricity.' It put forth a notion of 'lubricative power'--and damned if this dissertation didn't have a fascinating chapter on fisting!
Or another (which may be closer to your point): movement along your spectrum is context dependent and changes over time; Gadamer, at the very least, makes this so clear that it is impossible to assert some kind of relation to a text that escapes its horizon.
Ultimately, what I really like about your post is that it suggests that no approach to a text can satisfy anti-posties, so, their position is basically whining.
Posted by: Jodi | Feb 14, 2006 4:47:10 PM
Maybe the question can be approached from another direction. We often hear "post-modernism" or "Theory" dismissed because it politicizes everything. It is rejected for being "too political" and how do we know that it is too political? The critics themselves say so -- it's in the passage quoted by John.
This is the source of the major problem: you can only fight a political position with another political position, even if your political position is one of de-politicization. An attempt to negate "the politics" of "Theory" is itself a political position. And we know which one: if we believe Sokal, it is the remnants of the "New Left" fighting off the "even Newer Left" and, if we believe Potemra, it is in neo-conservatism. Either way, an anti-"Theory" position is one that is a self-avowed conservative position; it is either reigning in excesses "of the Left" or destroying them altogether.
Consequently, "Theory" versus anti-"Theory" has absolutely nothing to do with "Theory", "post-modernism" or anything "po-mo". A defense of "Theory", just like an attack on "Theory", is a cover for something else. It's a cultural manifestation of a real political contradiction. It's a sublimated politics.
How do we know this? Well, the answer is found in a moderately strange way: look at where the controversy is the strongest and look at where the controversy is only latent. Or, rather, look where the controversy takes place in the newspapers and where it takes place in the journals. "Theory"/anti-"Theory" is an American problem bound up with American politics. By comparison, the mainstream press in Canada couldn't give a fuck about Theory's Empire, but the specialist press would, indeed, have a review of the book. Or, in England, one of the biggest proponents of "Theory" can simulaneously announce its death (Eagleton).
To be clear: Theory's Empire has absolutely nothing to do with "Theory". It does, however, have a lot to do with women's rights, the end of John Crow, gay rights, Vietnam, stolen elections, and fascist judges.
Posted by: Craig | Feb 14, 2006 5:43:23 PM
The only responsible literary criticism will have been the one that eschews all interpretation, contenting itself with simply recopying works of literature, word for word.
Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Feb 14, 2006 6:51:01 PM
I'm still having a hard time determining how the academy participates in the discourse of responsibility in such a way that what professors write makes such difference.
If its a certain praxis that bothers you, attack the praxis. If the praxis of theory bothers you, than thats an issue with the apparatus of production, not theory itself. Clearly, the university system has problems. Whether or not it is more or less impoverished in comparison to other aspects of post-industrial society is, I think, an important question. However, that has nothing to do with the relative merits of Lacan. You might as well, in this analysis, blame the cough for the cold. Take issue with a theory as a theory. Or take issue with a praxis as a praxis. But this nonsense about the uselessness of theory understood as praxis - asserted theoretically, is, quite simply, incoherent.
Or have I missed somthing here?
Posted by: Squibb | Feb 14, 2006 8:32:17 PM
That's a great idea Adam. The trick would be to copy in such a way as to improve upon the original, a la Pierre Menard.
John, I really like this. I'd like to suggest, maybe still under the influence of the Austin discussion on the Berube thread, that it'd be useful to develop a partial taxonomy of (bad faith) anti-pomo criticisms and corresponding canonical figures who say the same thing that the anti- folk are criticizing.
best wishes,
Nate
Posted by: Nate | Feb 14, 2006 11:00:01 PM
When I read an article like that one from the National Review, I always have the urge to ask the author something like, "Well, fine, but if not this interpretative method, then what? If not Sedgwick, then who?" And I think this is the question you're asking too, John.
Now, surely, after our asking this, Michael Potemra would grab us by the lapels and scream something along the lines of: "Anything! Anyone! Just no more talk about fisting! OK?" Or, better yet, he would (and did) suggest in the place of Sedgwick a literary-critical method that "defend[s] the cultural patrimony." Said method would also "transmit to young people the highest achievements of the human mind and heart"; it would wage "a full-scale Defense of the Humanities, and a Vindication of the intellect generally." [All of this quoted from the article.]
Now, for me at least, most of the above seems like a lot of empty rhetoric. All this talk of the "achievements of the human mind and heart" and "Vindicating the intellect" is what you get when you take the thought of people like Samuel Johnson, Matthew Arnold, and F.R. Leavis, desiccate it of any substance or power, and finishing it off by grinding said thought into platitudes fit for those inspirational posters with sail boats and waterfalls on them. In other words, this is Hallmark Card Humanism. "Sweetness and light? Shit, yeah! I'll take some of that, just don't bother me with the, you know, details 'cause those just get in the way of my well-aimed barbs, OK?"
Now, what I'm trying to get at with all this is that your left-right scale never really enters into most debates on Theory or "postmodernism." Slagging on Theory isn't about arguing for the primacy of a place that's farther left on your scale -- it's more about pumping out one's chest and crying, "Won't someone please think of the children!"
With all that said, I don't think Theory's Empire -- or at least the work of most of the contributors included in that volume -- engage in the same kind of fallacious argument as Poterma. Instead, many of the people in Theory's Empire present (or have presented elsewhere) interpretative methods that fall to the left of your scale. So, for example, in Theory's Empire, you have a group are, more or less, pushing for New Critical methodologies (Wellek, Dickstein, Donoghue) followed by those who have their own ideas (say, Paisley Livingston's brand of Noel Carroll-inspired cognitivism).
My big, final, concluding point is this: if we're really serious about examining the merits of literary study at the left side of the scale, then these people (Wellek, Donoghue, Livingston, or even Arnold, Leavis) would be the ones to start with: not the polemics of Poterma or even the polemics of Wellek et. al, but rather the latter's writings on literary theory and criticism.
Posted by: Roger Mexico | Feb 14, 2006 11:14:53 PM
Er... I don't know what I was thinking with that last clause. The point is this (and it's really more of a suggestion, or even a call for an experiment): let's ignore the polemics for the time being and instead take a closer look at some good-faith contributions to literary studies on the left side of John's scale and go from there.
Posted by: Roger Mexico | Feb 14, 2006 11:31:16 PM
I think it is a mistake to try to construe some kind of theory of what is a good interpretation. I mean that quite generally. There really is nothing we can say about that which would be both interesting and unrestrictive. The idea of measuring the loopyness of some theory is funny, but it's a parody. If someone did that seriously, it would rate at least a 7.2 in the bogus labelling of axes index.
I wonder why Gadamer is presented as the most buttoned down interpretative theorist; a principle of perfection, like he suggests, is waaaaay bent.
With the whole anti-posties-are-just-whining thing, this is a major problem. It really won't do to just dismiss it. In fact, anti-posties are not just whining. They are observing that there really is a new hegemony in the humanities, full of its own jargon and beholden to the preservation of its power, and they are saying so. People who happen to have power in this new order naturally react with fury and contempt, just like priests of all sorts react with fury.
Of course, this all takes place in an environment of serious political censorship by the right, which controls actual power rather than just English departments, in which any sort of humanities reseach is hardly going to be a money magnet. Unless it has 'terrorism' written all over the proposal. This is important, but I don't think we should ressurrect the policy of 'conditional support' and 'united front', where we have to not criticise anybody 'in our field' because we're all under attack from nutters in the right. Doing that would in fact drain the value out of what we do.
There is this situation where people pursue nominally radical projects which are in fact utterly meaningless, or at most inconsequential, and then the right goes "oooh, look the lefties are doing crazy shit like studying the morphosadism of buttplugs!". The academic idler's belief to have transcended whatever is thus reinforced. And onto round two, except now your budget is half what it was...
I for one, would like to read more about the morphosadism of buttplugs. But if someone came along and said - that's some crap you...ok, that would be a silly pun. People have to be prepared to accept criticism.
My view is generally rather conflicted about this. I am an aspiring academic. If I don't get money from grants and universities, I will be fucked. If my research isn't recognised and little stars attached to it, I will be on the dole, or working tables or something that I really don't want to do. But I also think that the academic organization of labour has profound effects on how criticism is arranged, and it has a particularly strong credentialising tendency, which is terrible. On the one hand, criticism is written off unless the person is properly certified - and the people being criticised have got their hands on the certification process. This creates a situation in which victories - such as the recognition of queer studies institutinoally - convert almost without pause into losses.
So I'd put the problem in another way. The issue isn't post-this or post-that. I think the whole idea of looking for 'serious intellectual content' (a la Chomsky's critique), is just question begging. Instead, I would ask: how do we overcome the university?
Posted by: TCO | Feb 15, 2006 2:15:46 AM
Jodi's right, John. 'Ol Fred Crews even has an essay in TE. The problem with Sedgwick's claim isn't that it's an interpretation, but that it's an imposition. It's absurd to the precise extent in which the critic has, however creatively, misread the text. I'm disinclined to Google a history of fisting (I know what I'll find and it won't be what I'm looking for), but fortunately I don't need to in order to demonstrate that she's not, as a deconstructive critic would, reading the text against-the-grain; nor is she, as a Foucauldian/New Historicist would, claiming James imbricated in a particular discursive structure which authorizes this particular reading, a la green carnations in Wilde; &c. In other words, the hostility to Sedgwick's reading is a hostility to critical hubris, to the idea that the role of the critic is not to interpret but to create meaning.
That said, to second Jodi, I'd like to reiterate that I discuss theory in terms of its effects on the study of literature. The confused disciplinary status of theory muddles conversations such as these; Freud, however, turned his almost unparalleled interpretative skills on literary texts in order to say something about the fundamental structure of human social interaction, so I'm not surprised that this confusion persists. All of which is only to say:
I don't think you nail the objection to theory in this post so much an objection equivalent in its extremity to Sedgwick's.
Posted by: Scott Eric Kaufman | Feb 15, 2006 1:38:34 PM
Squibb, I don't think you've missed much. The "Theory's Empire" doorstop/salvo is university-centric (if not more specifically American university-centric) to a severely damning fault, if it is anything.
John: That's what I want to know: do critics of postmodernism want to go back to before 1901?
Doubtful of course. Or rather, any date will do. The more controversially charged, or dear to the academic left, the better. That is, any date that may simultaneously be used as excuse (oops, I mean reason!) to cite at least three important thinkers-turned flag-wavers merely, out of context all at once. And cleverly. Above all, always be cleverer!
Some anti-posty criticisms are of a more serious and scholarly caliber than others, but still, they often seem to share with reactionary fundamentalisms the functionary illusion of a strangely pure, uncontaminated past (albeit one that is this time often "archingly misguided," "flawed," "mystical" or "nostalgic," the "beliefs" of which have since been "largely proven to be false" etc. etc.--so long as it may be dismissed by a newer, better worldviewing you might say... Brave declarations which, needless to say, after substantiated only a little bit, may then be cited as fact in order to argue for nothing less than radical, unprecedented change; all the while neglecting the real work (or for that matter a more nuanced theory of history) demanded by histories as such (as something other than History, you might say). Oh, but they are clever! They share this penchant for cleverness with the po-mo-neo-cons: in a strange twist, the history dismissed is done so because it was guilty of "Great Man" worship, or capital-H-Historical hubris itself! For shame!
On some level, they are no doubt correct (at least when it comes to the industry/institutionalisation of sychophants, celebrity sexy "Theorists" and a handful of designated op-ed mourners now with tenure. Nobody serious about theory would seem to dispute that the university itself is, generally, rather fucked (though there are exceptions, and honestly when has it ever been otherwise?) But the case is sealed against the posty-hunters when what they propose to put in its place--in the rare instances when they are forced to propose anything at all--fails to demonstrate anything like sufficient understanding of the critiques of History (or Great Men) that have answered for, indeed continue to answer and account for, both the contradictions of the past as we now understand them or for those of the present moment. So they're relying, most cynically, on a theory they neither accept nor understand, only to score rhetorical points! This is just a bullying way to put off, maybe, actual critiques of their actual positions. In any case, it's all very tiring.
There's a name for such tactics, of course. All this hobnail and distracting culture war has been going on for decades. It wasn't exactly any more enlightened, or more helpful, when people banged their drums and refused to read, back then. Oh well...carry on!
Posted by: nc | Feb 15, 2006 2:24:22 PM
In other words, the hostility to Sedgwick's reading is a hostility to critical hubris, to the idea that the role of the critic is not to interpret but to create meaning.
Surely such pat definition demands to be complicated, by the idea of an interpretation that transforms what it interprets, for instance.
Sedgwick is hardly conjuring meaning out of thin air, though I suppose if that is all the charity one is inclined to extend as a sorry excuse for a reading, it is a meme (the 'Derrida the magician' meme, of course) that's certainly earned some hefty returns over the years...
Is there not a single critic of Theory who's read Derrida correctly? Show me one.
Posted by: Matt | Feb 16, 2006 10:16:04 PM
While I agree we should leave the polemics aside (if only it were that easy), mightn't one still correctly surmise, judging from the general lack of charity at work, that the only genuinely intellectual thing to do is to read the actual philosophical critiques, neverminding that it'll always all just be "Theory" to some folks?
Well if Politics of Friendship is a work of "Theory", and the only place one is permitted to study it (along with-- gasp--the properly philosophical question of 'literature' or better that which may yet escape the concepts and oppositions of philosophy), and albeit only after some serious wrangling, is in a comp. lit program...because none of the PhD's publishing on French Heideggerians were allowed within 100 yards of the Anglo-dominated philosophy department, well so be it. Only it does make you wonder, whether maybe an Anglo Philosophy's Empire Anthology of Dissent would be fun, you know, some collection of writings from the past three decades, say, daring to posit, and argue strongly, that what is most interesting and worthy of study travels neither strictly under the name of 'philosophy' nor that of 'literature.' To make the case that Anglo-analytic philosophy has become a crusty old empire, deaf to criticism of any serious sort and desperately clinging to the hegemonic scientification of inquiry, to utterly archaic disciplinary boundaries and to rigid knee-jerk defensiveness or Socratic false modesty when confronted, and etc. [sarcasm]Then we'd really be getting somewhere in this brilliant thing. No doubt about it.[/sarcasm]
Posted by: Charles | Feb 16, 2006 11:33:22 PM
Charles,
I can't tell how far the sarcasm extends and what's meant sincerely, so if I miss the boat here please forgive me. I do have to say, though, that your characterization of anglo-american philosophy and philosophy departments strikes me as the mirror image of the reductive strawperson claims made about the people and places that do the stuff you (we, maybe) like. There's a lot of sophisticated and fascinating work done in philosophy in the English-speaking world (and there are some philosophy departments where you can get jobs doing French Heideggerian stuff, like some universities connected to the Jesuits). There's a lot of anglo-american junk too, but that's also true of 'Theory'. There's also a lot of work that would be useful if read in comp lit/'Theory' circles. (Andrew Bowie's book on Schelling is a good example of work that admirably bridges a number of apparent gaps, and in a way that seems very natural and unforced.)
I read something once, I think in a piece by or a review on somebody Wheeler but I might be wrong, where someone gave Derrida a copy of Kripke's Naming And Necessity and he later said he'd found it very difficult. He also commented that Being And Time was a clear and lucid book. The distinction posed, then, was that Continental (or we might say 'Theory') types find Heidegger rather straightforward, and Analytic types find Kripke straightforward. The piece then said, "what about the rest of us who don't have that response to either book? what are we?" I found that very resonant, and a decent corrective.
best,
Nate
Posted by: Nate | Feb 17, 2006 1:40:31 AM
Nate, thanks for that very much. And you're certainly quite right. There's not much benefit to straw bridges, though they're no doubt easier to play with than trying to scale both towers. Here's to the good stuff being done despite the petty fortress politics.
Posted by: Charles | Feb 17, 2006 2:17:16 AM
Not forgetting either, of course, what the New Historicist's dear Foucault (or perhaps it was another Foucault?) once famously said of Nietzsche, that:
"The only valid tribute to his thought is precisely to use it, deform it, to make it
groan and protest. And if the commentators say that I am being unfaithful to Nietzsche that is of absolutely no interest.”
Which sure didn't seem to stop Foucault, or for that matter Derrida, from being a far closer and more careful reader than most.
Posted by: | Feb 17, 2006 4:01:43 PM
I am not sure about that. Analytical philosophy - that refers to at least as heterogenous a body of work as 'theory' - has serious problems. But that doesn't mean squat. The whole point of doing philosophy other than analytical philosophy, I thought, was to level a critique. That means, presumably, that we can't excuse ourselves by saying that what we criticise is just as bad.
Now we have this delusional picture where there is this Evil Empire of Analytical philosophy and bad quantitative minded sociologists, and against this the brave resistance will work selflessly, taking insults in its strides, blah blah blah. It's complete rubbish. The whole problem of Theory's Empire is precisely this posture, which is really just an effort to build another fort. I for one, couldn't give a fuck about the united front.
Of course polemic is required here. The idea that we should just all sit down and consider 'scholarly' critiques and whatever is precisely the way this junk gets itself established. Suddenly, you need all these credentials and quotations and fifteen years worth of wandering around a library to ask questions. By then, you will have to ask them already in an intellectual style that reproduces the racket.
It is not scholarly questions that pose problems for 'Theory', but simple, elementary naive ones that occur to almost anyone reading the stuff. Like: why are these people such shit writters? Why can't they express themselves clearly? Is this a mark of profundity or vacuity?
Posted by: TCO | Feb 17, 2006 8:15:45 PM
One question I have: is the "fisting-as-ecriture" comment by Sedgwick less absurdthan, as absurd as, or more absurd than either Freud's oedipus complex or his approach to dreams, as instanced by the too-long excerpt I provided above?
If we're objecting to Sedgwick's piece, then we need to be intellectually precise about what it is we're objecting to. One thing needed is to 'control' for is the presence of sexually-based metaphors. The natural embarassment everyone involuntary feels when sexuality is brought in could easily predispose us to dismiss the metaphor. One way to control for it, as I've suggested, is to bring in Freud. It was exactly this feature that invited and produced such intense ridicule of Freud's ideas. Everyone was so embarassed! What critics like Poterma (that's the person who reported Sedwick to us) want to do is act like Sedwick is the first person ever to refer to "half-conscious" (her term) psychological roots of action. But she isn't. That's why I often feel -- though I grant I should not dwell on it too much as it just doesn't help -- that critics of postmodernism only think so far as they need to in order to come up with their ridicule. Past that point, what's the purpose of thinking? But even if these critics are right their procedure is intellectually worthless. *Even if every one of the criticisms of postmodernism and Theory were true* it would not say much for the intellectual work behind them. Because then what we would need is a diagnosis of the origins of the phenomenon. (And I rush here to say that I have ordered *Theory's Empire*, as I do believe there are some titles in there that do talk about the 'origins' of Theory, and I look forward to reading those in particular.) That's certainly what I would want to do if I thought the whole intellectual landscape with very few exceptions were as dire as critics make it out to be. Other than as symptoms I would be less interested in addressing specific examples of the bankrupt thinking.
But that's why the critics of postmodernism have a problem: if they address the broader methodological problems that stand behind and inform Sedgwick's writing, it becomes clearer and clearer that someone like Sedgwick can't be the real target (all respect to her).
I read carefully and enjoyed all comments. I thought of lots of comments on the comments but then I thought maybe that's too much. I would like to take a look at some of the authors Mexico mentions though.
Posted by: John S. Ransom | Feb 18, 2006 10:38:44 AM
Scott - I think what you are claiming is that Sedgewick's fisting-ization is simply hamfisted. This is possible, but I suspect you have not read the actual work and are reacting only to the cited passage. Sedgewick may in fact have properly prepared for her manuevre here and well-lubricated her text before-hand. Furthermore, I would suspect and suggest that the citation of the Sedgewick fisting-ecriture metaphor by whoever did it - I don't know who it was, I don't have that information handy - was a tactical deployment of passage taken violently out of context and thus tailor-made to look ridiculous. As such, it was itself an imposition, which is to say, in other words, an act of critical hubris whereby someone was manuevring to, as you put it, create meaning rather than simply interpret meaning, whatever that means.
Posted by: josef k. | Feb 18, 2006 11:35:08 AM
And if Derrida was conjuring meaning of out air, than Sedgewick specializes in the sleight-of-hand...
Posted by: josef k. | Feb 18, 2006 11:37:55 AM
Matt: Surely such pat definition demands to be complicated, by the idea of an interpretation that transforms what it interprets, for instance.
Certainly a possibility, but again, that means raises the critic to a level on par with the author he or she criticizes, and while that's true on occasions, it's dangerous as a stance. I mean, it's not as if a Henry James novel is a literal Talmud, with every gloss amended to the official text; the official text, though not stable in meaning, doesn't exist to be transformed by two-bit hacks with no philosophical training but a couple of essays by Derrida under their belt. (And yes, such is often the state of theoretical knowledge in English departments.)
Is there not a single critic of Theory who's read Derrida correctly? Show me one.
What does that even mean? Memorized his arguments? Understood the process?
John: The natural embarassment everyone involuntary feels when sexuality is brought in could easily predispose us to dismiss the metaphor.
I'm not predisposed to dismiss the metaphor; I'm unconvinced of its status as metaphor in the manner Sedgwick claims. It's certainly metaphorical, but her desired referent is wholly out of touch with what James or anyone of his period would have read into it. It is the equivalent of an adult overhearing a child say something they know it can't mean then insist that they secretly meant that anyway.
As I thought my nod to Crews up there (whose criticisms of Freudianism aren't serious so much as those of a spurned lover) indicated, I don't find Freud any less absurd than Sedgwick. His absurdity has the benefit of tenure, but it's no less absurd.
josef k.: This is possible, but I suspect you have not read the actual work and are reacting only to the cited passage.
And we talk of charity? Your suspicions are entirely founded. I've neither read the essay nor did I write about it seven months ago. That said, while ripping that passage from its context doesn't make it look less absurd, it also doesn't do Sedgwick's argument a disservice. As you would know, if you'd read the article.
Posted by: Scott Eric Kaufman | Feb 18, 2006 9:26:46 PM
Scott Eric Kaufmann writes: "[Sedgwick's 'fisting-as-ecriture' line is] certainly metaphorical, but her desired referent is wholly out of touch with what James or anyone of his period would have read into it. It is the equivalent of an adult overhearing a child say something they know it can't mean then insist that they secretly meant that anyway."
And here's, I think, a problem. If we abstract from the particular instance in front of us, are we willing to univesalize the objection? That is, are we willing to say that all attempts to interpret what someone says in a way that "is wholly out of touch with what [the original author] or anyone of [that] period would have read into it" are illegitimate? And the answer has to be no, right? I can think of all sorts of interesting interpretations of things I've read that are completely out of touch with what the original authors or their contemporaries thought that are quite valuable. One that I don't agree with completely (that's not the point, surely) is C.B. Macpherson's argument in his book _Possessive Individualism_ that Locke's _Second Treatise_ is really an apology for rising capitalism. No thought like that ever entered Locke's mind, and no one living at the time or for a long time after would've thought such a thing, either. Or we can take a more famous one: Nietzsche's claim that the sermon on the mount is a recipe for revenge against Roman noble elites by an oppressed tribe.
I'm glad to see Scott Eric Kaufmann above also dismiss Freud. He writes: "I don't find Freud any less absurd than Sedgwick. His absurdity has the benefit of tenure, but it's no less absurd." The rule uniting these two absurd thinkers, would it go something like this?: "Any interpretation that is unrecognizable to the original author and contemporaries is absurd and should be dismissed." That means the following thinkers and schools are out: Freud, Nietzsche, Jung, Marx, Frankfurt School, Weber, Derrida, Foucault, Gadamer, Dilthey, the Catholic Church, Clifford Geertz, Thomas Kuhn, impressionism, cubism . . . well, it's a long list.
Posted by: John S. Ransom | Feb 19, 2006 5:41:54 AM
Let's take an excerpt from Susan Sontag's *Against Interpretation.* She writes: "Today is such a time, when the project of interpretation is largely reactionary, stifling. Like the fumes of the automobile and of heavy industry which befoul the urban atmosphere, the effusion of interpretations of art today poisons our sensibilities. In a culture whose already classical dilemma is the hypertrophy of the intellect at the expense of energy and sensual capability, interpretation is the revenge of the intellect upon art." (Go here for a fuller excerpt: http://www.susansontag.com/againstinterpretationexcrpt.htm) Just before this paragraph, Sontag (at least seems to) criticize Marx and Freud for 'going behind' the world as it presents itself to seek deeper meanings. But then what does she do? She interprets the interpreters! She goes behind the back of the way Theory presents itself to give us the 'deeper meaning' behind interpretation, namely, that "interpretation is the revenge of the intellect upon art." That's an interpretation of interpretation, no? But isn't that an example of trashing a cake and then serving up a nice piece of the very same cake?
Posted by: John S. Ransom | Feb 19, 2006 5:53:43 AM
"It also doesn't do Sedgwick's argument a disservice..."
No? This is what Potemra says: "One need not be committed a priori to the idea that James was a heterosexual to recognize that this is worthless pap."
Important here I think are the unexamined assumptions. For instance, the assumption that one can, in fact, be a hetrosexual, that this can simply be what someone is, and that this is that.
Sedgwick simply wouldn't accept such an innate understanding of sexuality. Rather, she would see sexuality as something performed socially through discourse, rather than through the sheer physical fact of bodies having sex.
So: "her desired referent is wholly out of touch with what James or anyone of his period would have read into it." Undoubtedly true in a certain sense - I would certainly imagine that if what Sedgwick wrote was shown somehow, one fine day, to the historical personage Henry James, insofar as James felt especially authorial over the words that he wrote down, would have been horrified.
But then, I think, Sedwick probably herself would expect such a reaction. As such, I don't think simply pointing to it can count as a valid criticism of her work. The point for Sedgewick, after all, is not that James *really* wanted to go around fisting things, but couldn't, for whatever reason, and hence therefore just wrote about in the manner of a kind of lesser substitute, but rather, that James got his kicks from writing in a particular way that was itself already fisting, and yet fisting would not have been a recognized sexual practice to James or to his contemporaries. Thus Sedgewick says, there is a hidden scene of fisting operating already here, and perhaps this fact can help explain the fact that fisting later will emerge into the status it enjoys to day, as a named and recognized sexual practice conducted on real, physical bodies.
Posted by: josef k. | Feb 19, 2006 9:39:51 AM
I apologize for coming in rather late to this great discussion. But it seems it may come back to the basic proposition "There are at least two interpretations of interpretation." As someone once said, there is one version of interpretation that tends to be more "rabbinic" and another that is more "Joycean." I do not remember the rest exactly, but I have always wondered whether an interpretation could be both rabbinic and Joycean at the same time? (if not to the same degree). And is it really nonsensical to think someone could be a "Dionysian Rabbi" when it comes to such matters?
Posted by: Alain | Feb 19, 2006 12:08:05 PM
I'll be brief for once: I really don't see why Scott can't think Freud is nonsense and still partake of these other thinkers, should he deem it profitable. I don't understand the 'rule' Ransom proposes. (No really. I just don't get what the rule is supposed to say.)
Posted by: jholbo | Feb 19, 2006 12:26:40 PM
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