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W(h)ither the Philosophy of Pop?

    "Do you realize how ridiculous you must sound when you bring into the classroom, the place where should be taught universal truths, this [spluttering]…this rubbish. This is little more than a propoganda campaign for MTV. Pop caters to the lowest common denominator; the energy of pop is too often the testosterone-fueled energy of male adolescence; the languages of pop are impenetrable, ephemeral jargons; it locks into stereotypical patterns which relate purely to physiological artefacts and thus have no significance whatever to philosophy. Man will always have need of entertainment; this is not, however, philosophy; or even philosophically interesting. There is no philosophy, nor politics, in pop."
                   
    -Grayson Darkling-Furniss 

    "All art...is...essentailly poetry [Dichtung]"
                   
    -Martin Heidegger


Having heard the phrases, "pop philosophy" or, "the philosophy of pop" resonate in certain corners of the 'sphere, having read this generous transcription by Robin; (from whence the quote above); or this post in particular by K-Punk (since followed up by many others); or, going even further back, this good interview by Infinite Thought...well here a mammoth post, with generous (but hopefully not ponderous!) excerpting from an article by Mark Greif follows...

Granted, these discussions have been taking place for awhile, and one hardly proposes to make a survey here.  For one thing––if you'll permit a bit of self-indulgent personal digression (this is after all, a "blog")––the present author is not qualified.  He wouldn't really know Deleuze, for instance.  His own musical tastes, not that they are relevant, tend toward the sort of incurably melancholic.  He confesses that their possible antiquation may be a source of some small pride.  Such traditional, outmoded things as lyrics, melody and harmony matter to him greatly.  For dissonance on most days he prefers Debussy, or Schubert maybe, to Rage Against the Machine.  He has been known to weep at certain Bach and certain Shostakovitch, and occasionally, when drunk, at opera.  He adores the late, raspy Dylan especially, Steve Earl and Greg Brown, Gillian Welch and Lucinda Williams, Smog, the Bill Evans Trio, solo Monk and post-70's Roy Haynes, the early Leonard Cohen and Tom Waits, and the mid-to-late Chet Baker.  And yet, to recall a popular phrase handed down to Roy Haynes--incorrigable, aging hipster that he is--and that he has been known to deploy on more than one occasion:   what makes these artists or composers great is, in the final analysis, neither technical mastery nor classical proficiency, but rather the simple fact of their having "something to say." 

To choose the obvious counter-example, at least from jazz–which is surely something of an antiquated pop all to itself––Wynton Marsalis is someone who quite clearly has nothing to say.  (Consequently, neither does Ken Burns, though that is yet another, far graver matter.)  A general enough distinction, maybe, and demanding complication, but is it one that might be fleshed out and put to some good use?

Haynes, still going strong into his eighties, would seem to be a percussionist of infinite original things to say, though what is said hardly ever gets in the way of the saying.  (This distinction, it seems to me, could be taken even further.  The poetry or truth of song seems to consist precisely in the manner of its failure, or more precisely of its falling.  A failure to achieve unity and self-presence or even, one might say, to ward off death.  A saying, therefore, which may be sensed to be taking place elsewhere, as if always just a little to the side of things, or a fraction of a beat behind.  A saying and also a listening, alongside itself, perhaps listening for a certain echo; in any case, that seems to me to be 'clearing work' of song.)  And yet, Roy Haynes performs identifiably within a genre--if we ignore the strictures of this word--where the distinctions between man and machine, rhythm and voice, percussion and melody are still more or less clearly, structurally defined. 

Of course in a sense the piano (and the keyboard) are percussion, and so predisposedly background instruments.  They hardly sing, that is, in the sense that one's control over the note, once deployed, is no longer bound up with the body in quite the same way as is the human voice.  With certain traditional instruments, the potential to carress, fall off or even abuse the note remains restricted.  One gets the impression moreover, that some singers (or trumpeters, for instance) have earned their right to say certain things, which they prove, again and again at every moment, by saying them in a certain way.  I am thinking, of course, of Chet Baker, who still insisted that songs needed to sound a certain way...in order to be beautiful, that is.  (What was most beautiful about his singing/trumpeting, paradoxically, was its certain 'resisting/desisting', if not exactly dwelling, in a dialogue with failure always at meeting this ideal––one way of describing his unique brokenness (especially in competition–with Mulligan, but not only him–for the melody).  Indeed, one could write a dissertation or three on Chet Baker and mimetic rivalry, music, autobiography and madness...)

But maybe this is one area, to be vulgar, where a certain paradigm--namely that of the (unified) Subject who speaks--is understood to have shifted (perhaps onto a subject who murmurs, and echos...?)  In any case, this facile opposition of "unity" with "de-centering" is perhaps today often enough assumed, and too quickly, rather than understood.  But then we are still grazing along the plane of (introductory) generalities.  And if you'll indulge him a little further yet, in this occasionally ponderous and personal digression, let it be because there is something more interesting and rigorously argued in the tail (in other words, you have been warned; this is...a lenghty post).

Such distinctions, between "speaking" and "singing," or "producing" may sound outmoded today (though again, one should resist, he thinks, mapping them directly onto any "competing conceptions of the subject," not least of all as "the subject" may have survived the last century just fine, somewhat deconstructed but hardly dissolved, in any case) .  He wonder if they might still be turned, at least toward the questions that are most obvious.  Namely, is it even possible, let alone advisable or productive, to pursue the articulation of such a thing as a "philosophy of pop" (run for the hills if you must dear Daniel Green, or reach for your special revolver, Ellis Sharp).  Indeed, can the definitions of "art" and "poetry" even be bent to map onto such a "philosophy" without losing something crucial.  What sort of genealogy is traceable here, and what binds it together?  Also, what might be at stake in any careful distinction between 'pop' and poetry?  Such big questions, and all over a bit of kid's music, you may say!  Let us at least avoid getting into Husserl, Heidegger and competing phenomenologies, or the primacy vs. metaphysics vs. transcendence vs. untruth of 'the origin'  all at once, as best we can!

He may be something of an elitist, though not in the manner commonly sneered.  When school friends were listening to Beck and then Radiohead, his inner monologue was proudly dominated by "Visions of Johanna" and, occasionally, "Rocking in the Free World."  For a brief, convoluted moment there was grunge and Pearl Jam, and The Beastie Boys of course, who will never, ever fade.  (The Counting Crows, mercifully, did fade.)  But like other Americans of his reluctant generation, born into boredom with a Cold War that had overstayed its welcome (and would continue of course to overstay it's welcome)––those who may or may not have kept listening to real music through the awful eighties in an unapologetically retro sort of manner, and to an odd yet politically suggestive blend of say, Bob Dylan, Jimi Hendrix, Phish, Tupac and Public Enemy––well in any case, he largely missed the pop and punk and post-punk 'moments' that seem––though he may get flack for this, if not for the gratuitous eighties swipe––so formative for, and perhaps still haunting of Great Britain. 

Some would of course sneer that what "pop" means today is merely displaced, or unduly dignified nostalgia (for childhood, perhaps).  Others find it harmless, humorous and entertaining (everthing in moderation!)  Others would lament that it is often tiresome, product strangely and menacingly out of time yet still prepackaged.  Product whose adherance to our lives is therapeutic, yet dubious, product watered-down or frozen, and chemical-treated surely.  "Pop" is sometimes, pretentiously or ignorantly, labeled "pure" commercialization, "pure" this or that.  What is meant by this may be something very simple:  that while "pop" is assumed to be sterile and formulaic, or part and parcel of a lingering "60's" or "hippies" denial, "pop" in fact belongs to none of this.  "Pop" does not quite belong this way.  To say that "pop resists" these things is likewise a refrain, one bordering on cliché, becuase while it does sometimes seem as though producing a "cultural phenomenon" has become merely the latest hobby of an advanced, ever-ready "hip" Capital,   "pop" signifies, perhaps, a potential even greater indifference to the "culture" in which it swims.  "Pop," or rather the experience of pop may be, in the end, nothing less than profoundly neutral.

"Pop" is neither good nor evil.  Some people like the VH1 neoliberal "hip," after all.  They think it keeps them from taking themselves too seriously, and it might!  But   there are after all vast expanses and sub-genres of 'pop', and 'pop' potential.  A great, and yet semi-permeable membrane may separate what is mass produced on demand and what is, especially if cut-up, resampled and remixed, often more "original."  Phorias and Phobias conspire against careful articulation on either side.  As do people who take themselves too seriously.


The label is itself too broad, certainly.  Approaching the subject in any meaningful manner, other than with language ready-made or content with vague generalities, seems an impossible task.  But if there is a certain timely or defiant political potential––one hesitates, of course, to call it "revolutionary"––in some good pop music, ––a potential for resistance and for paradoxically re-claimed privacy, perhaps, then this would be a good thing to explore, if not strictly philosophically, at least to try to think more clearly and more critically about.

In light of which, I would like to pull down from the print-world moon (ever-closer though it hovers), rip from its proper environment and begin to sink my teeth into this one article, wonderfully written by Mark Greif for n+1 magazine.  These are, after all, some of his questions. 

It's a trivial point to make, but previous forays (not to play favorites but, see especially Aenesidemus if you have not already) –were severely bounded and borne by lack of context.  So much so that responding––though I am grateful others did––seemed somewhat beside the point.  A less trivial thing to note, at least in passing, is the indeed rare manner in which the print version of this new magazine, for those who still do read, maintains an unusually persistent integrity and depth "all of its own."  There is more than just economic wisdom in insisting people read this way, with care, and with an ear for the potential music of a larger pastiche or composition, though such patience is uncommon.  Taken together, the pieces resist/desist in often subtle, sometimes unintentional dialogue with each other.  Certain proper names are summoned (though rarely ever cited) at once discreetly and with discrete concentration, under penetrating barbs of light.  It is, in other words, a damn fine literary/philosophical little magazine.  And, what is more, it is both highly intelligent and dedicatedly, concisely readable.  But don't take my word for it.  Albeit yanked from it's brethren, and although his particular choice of an "important" band may jar with certain people's sense of taste (it certainly did with mine), Mark's piece undoubtedly presents a worthy contribution to these debates (I wouldn't deign to call it "serious," since you at least will remember, as good readers of Derrida,  how that particular distinction has its limits).

Here is Mark Greif:

I've wondered why there's no philosophy of popular music.  Critics of pop do reviews and interviews; they write appreciation and biography.  Their criticism takes many things for granted, and doesn’t ask the questions I want answered.  Everyone repeats the received idea that music is revolutionary.—Well, is it?  Does pop music actually support revolution?  We say pop is of its time, and can date this music by ear with surprising precision, to 1966 or 1969 or 1972 or 1978 or 1984.—Well, is it?  Is pop truly of its time, in the sense that it represents some aspect of exterior history apart from the path of its internal development?  I know pop does something to me; everyone says the same.—So, what does it do?  Does it really influence my beliefs, or actions, in my deep life, where I think I feel it most, or does it just insinuate a certain fluctuation of mood, or evanescent pleasure, or impulse to move?  [The Arctic Monkeys!]

The answers are difficult not because thinking is hard on the subject of pop, but because of an acute sense of embarrassment.  [Freud:  "be ashamed; but say so!"]  Popular music is the most living art form today.  Condemned to a desert island, contemporary people would take their records first; we have the concept of desert island discs because we could do without most other art forms before we would give up songs.  Songs are what we consume in greatest quantity, they’re what we store most of in our heads.  But even as we can insist on the seriousness of value of pop music, we don’t believe enough in its seriousness of meaning outside the realm of music, or most of us don’t, or we can’t talk about it, or sound idiotic when we do.  And all of us lovers of music, with ears tuned precisely to a certain kind of sublimity in pop, are quick to detect pretension, overstatement and cant about pop—in any attempt at a wider criticism—precisely because we feel the gap between the effectiveness of the music and the impotence and superfluity of analysis.   This means we don’t know, about our major art form, what we ought to know.  We don’t even agree in what sense the interconnection of pop music and lyrics, rather than the words spoken alone, accomplishes an utterly different task of representation, more scattershot and overwhelming and much less careful and dignified than poetry —and bad critics show their ignorance when they persist in treating pop like poetry, as in the still-growing critical effluence around Bob Dylan.

[...]If you were to develop a philosophy of pop, you would have to clear the field of many obstacles.  You would need to focus on a single band, to let people know you had not floated into generalities—to let them test your declarations.  You’d have to announce at the outset that the musicians were figures of real importance, but not the “most” anything—not the most avant-garde, most perfect, most exemplary.  This would preempt the hostile comparison and sophistication that passes for criticism among aficionados.  Then you should have some breathing room.  If you said once that you liked the band’s music, there would be no more need of appreciation;  and if it were a group whose music enough people listened to, there would be no need of biography or bare description.  So let the band be Radiohead, for the sake of argument, and let me be fool enough to embark on this.  And if I insist that Radiohead are “more” anything than some other pop musicians—as fans will make claims for the superiority of the bands they love—let it be this, that this band was more able, at the turn of the millennium, to pose a single question of pop precisely: how should it really ever be possible for pop music to incarnate a particular historical situation?


R
adiohead belong to “rock,” and if rock has a characteristic subject, as country music’s is small pleasures in hard times (getting by), and rap’s is success in competition (getting over), that subject must be freedom from constraint (getting free).

Yet the first notable quality of their music is that, even though their topic may still be freedom, their technique involves the evocation —not of the feeling of freedom—but of unending, low-level fear.

The dread in the songs is so detailed and so pervasive that it seems built into each line of lyric and into the black or starry sky of music that domes it.  It is environing fear, not antagonism emanating from a single object or authority.  It is atmospheric rather than explosive.  This menace doesn’t surprise anyone.  Outside there are listeners in, watchers, abandoned wrecks with deployed airbags, killer cars, lights going out and coming on.  “They” are waiting, without a proper name.—Ghost voices, clicks of tapped phones, grooves of ended records, sounds of processing and anonymity.

An event is imminent or has just happened but is blocked from our senses: Something big is gonna happen/ over my dead body.  Or else it is impossible that anything more will happen and yet it does:  I used to think/ There was no future left at all/ I used to think.  Something has gone wrong with the way we know events, the error leaking back to occurrences themselves.  Life transpires in its representations, in the common medium of a machine language.  (Arrest this man: He talks in maths, he buzzes like a fridge, his voice is like a detuned radio.)  A fissure has opened between occurrence and depiction, and the dam bursts between the technical and the natural.—These are not meant to be statements of thoughts about their songs, or even about the lyrics, which look banal on the printed page; this is what happens in their songs.  The technical artifacts are in the music, sit behind our lips, and slide out when we open our mouths—as chemical and medical words effortlessly make it into the lyrics (“polystyrene,” “myxomatosis,” “polyethylene,” “melatonin”).

Beside the artificial world is an iconography in their lyrics that comes from dark children’s books: swamps, rivers, animals, ominous arks and rowboats riding ambiguous tracks of light to the moon.  Within these reassuring lyrics—and also in the musical counterpoint of chimes, strings, lullaby—an old personal view is opened, a desperate wish for small, safe spaces.  It promises sanctuary, a little house, a little garden, a bit of quiet in which to think.

Such a pretty house
and such a pretty garden.
No alarms and no surprises,
no alarms and no surprises,
no alarms and no surprises please.

But when the songs try to defend the small and safe, this comes hand-in-hand with grandiose assertions of power and violence—which mimic the voice of overwhelming authority that should be behind our dread-filled contemporary universe but never speaks.  Or else the words speak, somehow, for us.

This is what you’ll get.
this is what you’ll get.
this is what you’ll get
when you mess with us.

It just isn’t clear whether this voice is a sympathetic voice or a voice outside—whether it is for us or against us.  The band’s task, as I understand it, is to try to hold on to the will, to ask if there is any part of it left that would be worth holding onto, or to find out where that force  has gone.  Thom Yorke, the singer, seems always in danger of destruction; and then he is either channeling the Philistines or, Samson-like, preparing to take the Temple down with him.  So we hear pained and beautiful reassurances, austere, crystalline and delicate—then violent denunciations and threats of titanic violence—until they seem to be answering each other, as though the outside violence were being drawn inside:

Breathe, keep breathing
                                                            We hope that you choke,
                                                            that you choke.
Everything
everything
everything in its right place.
                                                            You and whose army?
We ride--we ride--tonight!

And the consequence?  Here you reach the best-known Radiohead lyrics, again banal on the page, and with them the hardest mood in their music to describe—captured in multiply repeated little phrases, stock talk, as words lose their meanings and regain them.  “How to disappear completely,” as a song title puts it—for the words seem to speak a wish for negation of the self, a last singularity, nothingness and non-being:

For a minute there
I lost myself, I lost myself

I’m not here.  This isn’t happening.


A
description of the condition of the late 1990s could go like this
: At the turn of the millennium, each individual sat at a meeting-point of shouted orders and appeals, the TV, the radio, the phone and cell, the billboard, the airport screen, the inbox, the paper junk mail.  Each person discovered that he stood at one knot of a network, existing without his consent, which connected him to any number of recorded voices, written messages, means of broadcast, channels of entertainment, and avenues of choice.  It was a culture of broadcast: an indiscriminate seeding, which needed to reach only a very few, covering vast tracts of our consciousness.  To make a profit, only one message in ten-thousand needed to take root, therefore messages were strewn everywhere.  To live in this network felt like something, but surprisingly little in the culture of broadcast itself tried to capture what it felt like.  Instead, it kept bringing pictures of an unencumbered luxurious life, in vacation sensuality, and songs of ease and freedom, and technological marvels, that did not feel like the life we lived.

And if you noticed you were not represented?  It felt as if one of the few unanimous aspects of the network was that it forbade you to complain, since if you complained you were a trivial human, a small person, who misunderstood the generosity and benignity of the message system.  It existed to help you.  Now, if you accepted the constant promiscuous broadcasts as normalcy, there were messages in them to inflate and pet and flatter you.  If you simply said this chatter was altering your life, killing your privacy or ending the ability to think in silence, there were alternative messages that whispered of humiliation, craziness, vanishing.  What kind of crank needs silence?  What was more harmless than a phone or a billboard?  The messages did not come from somewhere; they were not central, organized, intelligent, intentional.  It was up to you to change the channel, not answer the phone, stop your ears, shut your eyes, dig a hole for yourself and get in it.  Really, it was your responsibility.  The metaphors in which people tried to complain about these developments, by ordinary law and custom, were pollution (as in “noise pollution”) and theft (as in “stealing our time”). But we all knew the intrusions felt like violence.  Physical violence, with no way to strike back.

And if the feeling of violent intrusion persisted?  Then it added a new dimension of constant, nervous triviality to our lives.  It linked, irrationally, in our moods, and secret thoughts, these tiny private annoyances to the constant televised violence that we saw.  Those who objected embarrassed themselves, because they likened nuisances to tragedies—and yet we felt it, though it became unsayable.  Perhaps it was because our nerves have a limited palette for painting dread.  Or because the network fulfilled its debts of “civic responsibility” by bringing us twenty-four hour news, of flaming airplanes, and twisted cars, and blood-soaked screaming casualties, globally acquired, portioned out between commercials, at which it was supposedly our civic duty to look—and put this mixture of messages and horrors up on screens wherever a TV could only be introduced on grounds of “responsibility to know”—in the airport, and the doctor’s office, the subway, and any waiting room.  But to object was demeaning—who, really, meant us any harm?  And didn’t we, truly, have a responsibility to know?

Thus the large mass of people, huddled in the path of every broadcast, who were really only those who were spoken for, who received and couldn’t send, were made responsible for the new Babel. Most of us who lived in this culture were primarily sufferers or patients of it, and not, as the word had it, “consumers.”  Yet we had no other words besides consumption or consumerism to condemn a world of violent intrusions of insubstantial messages, no new way at least to name this culture or describe the feeling of being inside it.

So a certain kind of pop music could offer a representative vision of this world while still being one of its omnipresent products.  A certain kind of musician might reflect this new world’s vague smiling threat of hostile action, its latent violence done by no one in particular; a certain kind of musician, angry and critical rather than complacent and blithe, might depict the intrusive experience, though the music would be painfully intrusive itself, and it would be brought to us by and share the same avenues of mass-intrusion that broadcast everything else.  Pop music had the good fortune of being both a singularly unembarrassed art, and still a relatively low-capital medium in its creation—made by just a composer or writer or two or four or six members of a band, with little outside intrusion, until the money is poured into the recording and distribution and advertising of it.  So, compromised as it always was, music still could become a form of unembarrassed and otherwise inarticulable complaint, capturing what one could not say in reasonable debate, and coming from far enough inside the broadcast culture that it could depict it with its own tools.


A
historical paradox of rock has been that the pop genre most devoted to the idea of rebellion against authority has adopted increasingly more brutal and authoritarian music to denounce forms of authoritarianism.  A genre that celebrated individual liberation required increasing regimentation and coordination.  The development could be seen most starkly in “hard rock,” metal, hardcore, and a current rap-metal—but it was latent all along.

Throughout the early 20th century, folk musics had been a more traditional alternative to forms of musical authority.  (The ambiguous other alternative was avant-gardism, in serialism and bop.)   But amplification alone, it seems, so drastically changed the situation of music, opening possibilities in the realm of dynamics and the mimesis of other sounds, that this created avenues for the musical representation of liberation that had nothing to do with folk music’s traditional lyrical content or the concern with instrumental skill and purism.  Specifically, it gave pop ways to emulate the evils liberation would be fighting against, to go along with folk’s righteous indignation or celebrations of the good times of those the music was for.  Pop could become Goliath while it was cheering David.  One aspect of amplification by the late 1960s stands out above all others: It opened up the possibility, for the first time, that a musician might choose to actually hurt an audience with noise.  The relationship of audience to rock musician had to be based on a new kind of trust.  This was the trust of listeners facing a direct threat of real pain and permanent damage that bands would voluntarily restrain—just barely.  An artist for the first time had his hands on a means of actual violence, and colluded with his audience to test its possibilities.  You hear it in The Who, the Doors, Jimi Hendrix.  In the 1960s, of course, this testing occurred against a rising background of real violence, usually held in monopoly by “the authorities,” but being manifested with increasing frequency in civil unrest and police reaction as well as overseas war.  This is sometimes taken as an explanation.  But once the nation was back in peacetime, it turned out that the formal violence of rock did not depend on the overt violence of bloodshed, and rock continued to metamorphose.  The extremity of its dynamics towards metal during the 1970s—and some connected this to industrial collapse and economic misery.  Later it was refined in punk and post-punk, in periods of miserable political defeat—and some connected the music’s newest violence and lyrical alternations of hatred of authority with hatred of the self to the political, economic, and social outlook.  Maybe they were right.  But this is perhaps to give too much automatic credence to the idea that pop music depicts history almost without trying—which is precisely what is in question[...]

T
o leap all the way into the affective world of our own moment, of course, would require something else: electronic sounds [...]  “Electronica,” as a contemporary genre name, speaks of the tools of production as well as their output.  The laptops, ProTools, sequencers and samplers, the found sounds and sped-up breaks and pure frequencies, provided an apparently unanchored environment and a weird soundscape that, though foreshadowed decades earlier in the studios at Westdeutscher Rundfunk in Cologne or the Columbia-Princeton Electronic Music Center, didn’t automatically fit with the traditions of guitars and drums that pop knew.  But the electronic blips the music used turned out to be already emotionally available to us, by a different route than the avant-gardism of Stockhausen, Berio or Cage.  All of us born after 1965 had been setting nonsense syllables and private songs to machine noise, then computer noise, since the arriving sounds first reached our cradles.  Just as we want to make tick and tock out of the even movement of a clock, we wanted to know how to hear a language and a song of noises, air compressors and washer surges, alarm sirens and warning bells.  We hear communication in the refined contemporary spectrum of beeps: the squall of a microwave, the chime of a timer, the fat gulp of a register, the chirrups of cell phones, the ping of seatbelt alerts and clicks of indicators, not to mention the argot of debonair beeps from the computers on which we type.

[...]One [early,] well-known and well-loved but clumsy [Radiohead] song sang about the replacement of a natural and domestic world by plastic replicas (“Fake Plastic Trees.”)  That account was inches away from folk cliché—something like Buffy St. Marie’s “Little Boxes.”  Its only salvation may have been the effect observed rather than the situation denounced:  It wears you out, describing the fatigue human beings feel in the company of the ever-replaceable.  The Bends, the last album produced before their major period, had this steady but awkward awareness, as the title implies, of being dragged through incompatible atmospheres in the requirements of daily life.  But the band didn’t yet seem to know that the subjective, symptomatic evocation of these many whiplashing states of feeling—not overt, narrative complaint about them—would prove to be their talent.

On the first mature album, OK Computer, a risk of cliché still recurred in a song of a computer voice intoning Fitter, Happier, More Productive—as if the dream of conformist self-improvement would turn us artificial.  But the automated voice’s oddly human character saved the effect—as if automated things, too, could be seduced by a dream of perfection equally delusory for them; as if the new commensurability of natural and artificial wasn’t a simple loss, but produced a new hybrid vulnerability where you thought things were stark and steely.  This was the breakthrough.  The band was also, at that time, mastering, formally, a game of voices, the interfiling of inhuman speech, and machine sounds, with the keening, vulnerable human singing of Thom Yorke.

Their music had started as guitar rock, but as they continued with the albums Kid A and Insomniac the keyboard asserted itself.  The piano dominated; the guitars developed a quality of organ.  The drums, emerging altered and processed, came to fill in spaces in rhythms already set by the frontline instruments.  Orchestration added brittle pieces of strings, a synthetic choir, chimes, an unknown shimmer, or bleated horns.  The new songs were built on verse-chorus structure in only a rudimentary way, as songs developed from one block of music to the next, not turning back.

And, of course—and as is better known, and more widely discussed—on the new albums the band, by now extremely popular and multi-million selling, “embraced” electronica.  But what precisely did that mean?  It didn’t seem in their case like opportunism, as in keeping up with the new thing; nor did it entirely take over what they did in their songs; nor were they particularly noteworthy, as electronic artists.  It is crucial that they were not innovators, nor unusually competent electronically, nor did they ever take it further than halfway—if that.  They were not an avant-garde.  The political problem of an artistic avant-garde, especially when it deals with any new technology of representation, has always been that the simply novel elements may be mistaken for some form of political action or progress. Two meanings of “revolutionary”—one, forming a turn-about in formal technique, the other, contributing to social cataclysm—are often confused, usually for the artist’s benefit, and technology has a way of becoming infatuated with its own existence.

Radiohead's success lay in their ability to represent the feeling of our age because they did not insist on being too much advanced in the “advanced” music they acquired.  [pop is retro!  "il faut être absolutement moderne" mais pas futuriste!]  The beeps and buzzes never seemed like the source of their energy, but a means they’d stumbled upon of finally communicating the feelings they had always held[...]  And they did something very rudimentary and basic with the new technologies.  They tilted artificial noises against the weight of the human voice and human sounds.

Their new kind of song, in both words and music, announced that anyone might have to become partly inhuman to accommodate the experience of the new era.


T
hom Yorke’s voice is the unity on which all the musical aggregations and complexes pivot.  You have to imagine the music drawing a series of outlines around him, a house, a tank, the stars of space, or an architecture of almost abstract pipes and tubes, cogs and wheels, ivies and thorns, servers and boards, beams and voids.  The music has the feeling of a biomorphic machine in which his voice is alternately trapped and protected.

Yorke’s voice conjures the human in extremis.  Sometimes it comes to us from an extreme of fear, sometimes an extreme of transcendence.  We recognize it as a naked voice in the process of rising up to beauty—the reassurance we’ve alluded to in the lyrics hope—or broken up and lost in the chatter of broadcasts, the destroying fear.  In the same song that features a whole sung melody, the vocals will also be broken into bits, and made the pulsing wallpaper against which the vulnerable pale voice of the singer stands out.  Only a few other popular artists build up so much of their music from sampled voice, rather than sampled beats, instrumental tones, or noises.  The syllables are cut and repeated.—A “wordless” background will come from mashed phonemes.  Then the pure human voice will reassert itself.

A surprising amount of this music seems to draw on church music.  One biographical fact is relevant here: they come from Oxford, England, grew up there, met in high school, and live, compose, and rehearse there.  Their hometown is like their music.  That bifurcated English city, split between concrete downtown and green environs, has its unspoiled center and gray periphery of modest houses and a disused automobile factory.  Its spots of natural beauty exist because of the nearby huge institutions of the university, and standing in the remaining fields and parks you always know you are in a momentary breathing space, already encroached.  But for the musically-minded, the significant feature of Oxford is its Church of England chapels, one in each college and others outside—places of imperial authority, home to another kind of hidden song.  The purity of Yorke’s falsetto belongs in a boys choir at evensong.  And then Yorke does sing of angels, amid harps, chimes and bells: Black-eyed angels swam with me./ . . . And we all went to heaven in a little rowboat./ There was nothing to fear and nothing to doubt.

And yet the religion in the music is not about salvation—it’s about the authority of voices, the wish to submit and the discovery of a consequent resistance in oneself.  It is anti-religious, though attuned to transcendence.  The organ in a church can be the repository of sublime power: a bundling of human throats in its brass pipes, or all the instruments known to man in its stops.  You can hear your own small voice responding, within a musical manifestation of the threat of that voice merely being played mechanically and absorbed into a totality.  To sing with an organ (as Yorke does at the end of Kid A) can be to discover one’s own inner voice in distinction to it; and at the same time to wish to be lost, absorbed, overwhelmed within it.  A certain kind of person will refuse the church.  Even one who refuses the church will not forget that feeling.

(This recalls a tradition Americans don’t possess, a Church of England consolidation by which the modern State assumed dominion over the spirit.  But if it sounds parochially English, it isn’t.  Yorke sings once explicitly of “Holy Roman Empire”—and unless these are cast-off words, I sometimes think he is thinking there of America, the newer empire.  Their music is in fact unusually non-national.  They come after the Americanization of the world scene.)

Sublime experience, the tradition says, depends on a relation to something that threatens.  Traditionally it depended on observing from a point of safety a power, like a storm, cataract or high sea, that could crush the observer if he were nearer.  (By compassing the incompassable power in inner representation, it was even suggested, you could be reminded of the interior power of the moral faculty, the human source of a comparable strength.)  Radiohead observe the storm from within it.  Their music can remind you of the inner overcoming voice, it’s true.  But then the result is no simple access of power.  This sublime acknowledges a different kind of internalization, the drawing of the inhuman into yourself; and also a loss of your own feelings and words and voice to an outer world that has come to possess them.


T
he way Yorke sings guarantees that you often don’t know what the lyrics are; they emerge into sense and drop out—and certain phrases attain clarity, while others remain behind.  This de-enunciation has been a tool of pop for a long time.   Concentrating, you will make out nearly all the lyrics; listening idly, a different set of particular lines stand out, and are sung along to and remembered.  This way of focusing inattention as well as attention is an aspect of pop lyric.

The most important grammatical tic in the lyrics, unlike the habitual lyrical “I” and apostrophic “you” of pop, is the “we.”  We ride.  We awake.  We escape.  We’re damaged goods.  Bring down the government—they don’t speak for us.  But also We suck young blood.  We can wipe you out – Anytime.  The pronoun doesn’t point to any actually existing collectivity; the songs aren’t about a national group or even the generic audience for rock.  So who is "we"?

There is the scared individual, lying to say he’s not alone—like the child’s “we’re coming in there!” so imagined monsters won’t know he’s by yourself.  There’s the “we” you might wish for, the imagined collectivity that could resist or threaten; and this may shade into the knowledge of all the other listeners besides you, each in their rooms or cars alone, similarly singing these same bits of lyric.

There’s the “we,” as I’ve suggested, of the violent power which you are not, the voice of the tyrant, the thug, the terrifying parent, the bad cop.  You take him inside you and spread him over the others who—somewhere singing these words for just a moment—feel as you do. You experience a release at last, so satisfying does it feel to sing their unspoken orders out loud to yourself, as if at last they came from you. You are the one willing the destruction—like Brecht and Weill’s Pirate Jenny, the barmaid, washing dishes and taking orders, who knows that soon a Black Ship will come for her town, bristling with cannons.  And when its crew asks their queen whom they should murder, she will answer: “Alle.”

So the characteristic song turns into an alternation, in exactly the same repeated words, between the forces that would defy intrusive power, and the intrusive power itself, between the hopeful individual and the tyrant ventriloquized.

It has to be admitted that other memorable lyrics sing phrases of self-help.  Plenty of these important lines are junk slogans from the culture, and part of the oddity of pop is that the junk phrases are moving, they do their work.  In a desperate voice: You can try the best you can – you can try the best you can – the best you can is good enough.”  “Breathe, keep breathing. – Don’t lose your nerve.  “Everyone—everyone around here—everyone is so near./ Just holding on.  Just holding on.  On the page, these make you cringe, unless you can hear them in memory, in the framing of the song.  Again, one has to distinguish between poetry and pop.  The most important lines in pop are rarely very poetically impressive; frequently they are quite deliberately and necessarily the words that are most frank, unredeemable, and melodramatic.  And yet they do get redeemed.  The question becomes why certain settings in music, and a certain playing of simple against other more complex lyrics, can remake debased language as art and restore the innocence of expression.  (Opera listeners know this, in the ariose transformation of “Un bel dì” [One fine day] or “O mio babbino caro” [Oh my dear papa].4  But then opera criticism, too, has a longstanding problem with lyrics.)

I think, in the midst of all else the music and lyrics are doing, the phrases of self-help may be the minimal words of will or nerve that you want to hear.

[...]Pop does, though, I think, allow you to preserve certain things you’ve already thought, without necessarily having been able to articulate them, and to extend certain feelings you have only intermittent access to, in a different form, in which the cognitive and emotional are less divided.  I think it allows you to steel yourself or loosen yourself into certain kinds of actions, though it doesn’t start anything.  And particular songs, and bands or careers you like, dictate the beliefs you can preserve and reactivate, and the actions you can prepare—and which songs and careers will shape your inchoate private experience, depends on an alchemy of your experience and the art itself.  Pop is not a mirror nor a Rorschach blot, into which you look and only see yourself; nor is it in general a lecture, an interpretable poem, or an act of simply determinate speech.  It teaches something, but only by stimulating mutation and preservation of things that you must have had inaugurated elsewhere.  Or it prepares the ground for these discoveries elsewhere—often knowledge you might have never otherwise have really “known,” except as it could be rehearsed by you, then repeatedly reactivated for you, in this medium.

[...]There is no logical sense in which pop music is revolutionary.  That follows from the conclusion that pop does not start beliefs, or instill principles, or create action ex nihilo.  It couldn’t overturn an order.  When so much pop declares itself to be revolutionary, however, I think it’s correctly pointing to something else which is significant but more limited and complicated.  There is indeed an anti-social or counter-cultural tendency of pop that does follow logically from what it does.  That is to say, there is a characteristic affect that follows from a medium that allows you to retain and reactivate forms of knowledge and experience which you are “supposed to” forget or are “supposed to” disappear by themselves—and “supposed to” here isn’t nefarious, it simply means that social forms, convention, conformity, and just plain intelligent speech, don’t allow you to speak of them, or make them embarrassing when you do.  Pop encourages you to hold onto and reactivate hints of personal feeling that society should have extinguished.  Of course this winds up taking in all classes of fragile personal knowledge: things that are inarticulable in social speech because they are too delicate or ideologically out of step, and things that are not allowed to be articulated because they are selfish, thoughtless, destructive, and stupid.  That helps explain how these claims for “what I learned from pop” can go so quickly from the sublime to the ridiculous and back to the sublime.  It explains why we are right to feel that so much of what’s promised for pop is not worth our credulity.  But, again, risking ridiculousness, I think the thing that pop can prepare you for, the essential thing, is defiance.  Defiance, at its bare minimum, is the insistence on finding ways to retain the thoughts and feelings that a larger power should have extinguished.


The difference between revolution and defiance is that between an overthrow of the existing order and one person’s shaken fist.  When the former isn’t possible, you still have to hold on to the latter, if only so as to remember you’re human.  Defiance is the insistence on individual power confronting overwhelming force that it cannot undo.  You know you cannot strike the colossus.  But you can defy it with words or signs.  In the assertion that you can fight a superior power, the declaration that you will, this absurd overstatement gains dignity by exposing you, however uselessly.  Unable to stop it in its tracks, you dare the crushing power to begin its devastation with you.

Power comes in many forms for human beings; and defiance meets it where it can.  The simplest defiance confronts nature’s power and necessity.  In the teeth of a storm that would kill him, a man will curse the wind and rain.  He declares, like Nikos Kazantzakis’s peasant Greek, “You won’t get into my little hut, brother; I shan’t open the door to you.  You won’t put my fire out; you won’t tip my hut over!”  The will is not Promethean, simply human.

In all forms of defiance, this little contingent being, the imperiled man or woman, hangs on to his will—which may be all he has left—by making a deliberate error about his will’s jurisdiction.  Because the defiant person has no power to win a struggle, he preserves his will through representations: he shakes his fist, announces his name, shouts a threat, and above all makes the statement that “I am,” “we are.”  It becomes even more necessary and risky when the cruel power is not natural, will-less itself, but belongs to other men.  Barthes gives the words of the French revolutionist Guadet, arrested and condemned to death: “Yes, I am Guadet.  Executioner, do your duty.  Go take my head to the tyrants of my country.  It has always turned them pale; once severed, it will turn them paler still.”  He gives the order, not the tyrant, commanding necessity in his own name—defying the false necessity of human force which has usurped nature’s power—even if he can only command it to destroy him.

The situation we confront now is a new necessity, not blameless like wind or water and yet not fatal as from a tyrant or executioner.  The nature we face is a billowing atmospheric second nature made by man.  It is the distant soft tyranny of other men, but wafting only in diffuse messages, in their abdication of authority to technology, in dissembling of responsibility under cover of responsibility and with the excuse of help—gutless, irresponsible, servile, showing no naked force, only a smiling or a pious face.  The “they” are cowardly friends.  They are here to help you be happy and make fruitful choices.  (“We can wipe you out—Anytime.”)

At its best, Radiohead’s music reactivates the moods in which you once noticed you ought to refuse.  It can abet an impersonal defiance.  This is not a doctrine the band advances, but an effect of the aesthetic.  It doesn’t name a single enemy.  It doesn’t propose revolution.  It doesn’t call you to overthrow an order that you couldn’t take hold of anyway at any single point, not without scapegoating a portion and missing the whole.  This defiance—it might be the one thing we can manage, and better than sinking beneath the waves.  It just requires the retention of a private voice.

One of the songs on Hail To The Thief, the last album released (at this writing, the band is back in Oxford, working on new material), has a peculiar counter-slogan:

Just ’cause you feel it
Doesn’t mean it’s there.

To sense the perversity of the appearance of these words in a pop song, you have to remember that they occur inside an art-form monomaniacally devoted to the production of strong feelings.  Pop music always tells its listeners that all their feelings are real.  Yet here is a chorus that denies any reference to reality in the elation and melancholy and chills that this chorus, in fact, evokes.  Yorke delivers the lines with an upnote on “feel” as he repeats them, and if anything in the song makes your hair stand on end, that will be the moment.  He makes you feel, that is, what he’s warning you against.  Next he sings a warning not to make too much of his own singing: There’s always a siren – singing you to shipwreck.  And this song, entitled “There There,” was the first single released off the album, pressed in many millions of copies; and it was played endlessly on radio and MTV.

The purpose of the warning is not to stop feelings but to stop believing they always refer to something or deserve reality, or should lead to actions, or choices, or beliefs—which is, of course, what the messages you hear by broadcast like you to make of them.  The feelings evoked by a pop song may be false, as the feelings evoked by all the other messages brought to you by the same media as pop songs may be false.  You must judge.  If leading you to disbelieve in broadcast also leads you to disbelieve in pop, so be it; maybe you believed in pop in the wrong way.  You must distinguish. 

The broadcast messages are impersonal in one fashion.  They pretend to care about you when actually they don’t know or care that you, as a single person, exist.  Impersonal defiance is impersonal in another way; it encourages you to withdraw, no longer to believe that there is any human obligation owed to the sources of messages—except when they remind you, truly, of what you already have subtly sensed, and already know.

You can see a closed space at the heart of many of Radiohead’s songs.  To draw out one of their own images, it may be something like a glass house.  You live continuously in the glare of inspection, and with the threat of intrusion.  The attempt to cast stones at an outer world of enemies could shatter your own shelter.  So you settle for the protection of the transparent house, with watchers on the outside, as a place you can still live, a way to preserve the vestige of closure—a barrier, however glassy and fragile, against the outside.  In English terms, a glass house is also a glasshouse, which we call a greenhouse.  It is the artificial construction that allows botanical life to thrive in winter.

Radiohead's songs suggest that you should erect a barrier, even of repeated minimal words, or the assertion of a “we,” to protect yourself—and then there proves to be a place in each song to which you, too, can’t be admitted, because the singer has something within him closed to interference, just as every one of us does, or should.  We’ll all have to find the last dwellings within ourselves that are closed to interference, and begin from there.  The politics of the next age, if we are to survive, will be a politics of the re-creation of privacy. +   

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There is something of the authentic hipster in the good 'pop', yes?  A part of himself killed-off?  Something in the gaze turned not exactly inward, and not looking for anything / in anybody's eyes. 

And something of the parrhesiaste as well.

Does Greif finally present us with anything like a philosophy? 

I confess to finding these last words deeply compelling, and while this post seems to have grown a bit lengthy, I'd like to risk veering into supreme overstatement and even the realm of unwitting self-parody (yet again?) by adding, very loosely and generally, some of my reasons.

The re-assertion and re-vival of a place of possessive privacy strikes not a few familar (and distinctly USian) chords, to be sure.  And not all of whose horizons are maybe closed (if chords may have horizons).  For me, speaking bluntly, and again risking the ridiculous in such a context, the articulation of this 'place' might certainly suggest more a simplicity and solitude in the 'face' of 'death' than any (again, USian) delusion of fiercely reactionary or antagonistic conformity––one belied as always, and as is inevitable, by a banal and increasingly homogenizing culture of individualization  (c.f. Ulrich Beck)...  Quite simply, if we don't begin from this solitary 'place' of nurtured privacy, or if we presuppose it or ignore it, "we" don't begin at all; we are only ever play-acting at being human~animal, or truly open to others.   But, what marks this 'place' exactly?

Well, I could go even farther off the deep end.  I could say that my conception of, and indeed solitary belief in death, and in this un-foundational solitude stripped of origin, and in relation to a death that is never one's 'own,' is informed more by Blanchot and by Derrida than it is by Heidegger.  That, properly understood, death (strictly as the im-possible) is what binds me to the other, though always in a nonrelation amongt strangers and enemies, a non-relation, as Blanchot says, from which no-one is excused.  We may as well call these strangers to us, with a brave and sober welcome, to open our arms widely and hospitably, as potential friends, in-amicus

One could conceivable turn Mark's closing words into a Heideggerian defense of poetry as origin (one could turn them any which way really), but along with others I prefer to think of poetry as concerned with a loss of origin, and I think this could be mapped onto the experience of Radiohead as well (they do grow on me, you know).

There is a risk of melodrama, always.  One cannot feel this intensity of friendship and lost origin all the time––that way lies madness!  Either madness or compulsory seclusion away behind a heavy door, or off in the woods somewhere.  Better to put on a pair of earphones, and remember what it first felt like to be alone, from time to time, and though, in the end, it will be no substitute for touching.

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Greif's last words seem to speak to the example of Bob Dylan most of all...a performer and storyteller just like any other, surely, but one who doesn't feign superior status in any falsely-posited hierarchical community (he never mocks the imposition of an iconic status merely), however superficially and cynically glossed the community or culture may become.  Rather, a singer whose deliberation in songs insists on a certain anonymity and distance if it insists on anything at all.  (It is unfashionable these days to speak of a "voice from the outside," especially with any hint of a  linguistically conflicted, overdetermined relation with one's subconscious––but in Foucault's and Blanchot's profoundly less than psychoanalytic reading, this is nevertheless what I have in mind.)   Call Dylan's prose poetry if you must––it is often utterly banal if not flat on the page, often composed of literary theft and pastiche, always borrowed and handed-down (just as the singer's voice, or rather the place from which he speaks, is in a sense already handed-down, and addressed, in a language of slightly other-worldly register, to a community of both living and the dead).  Dylan's is a voice at times almost unbearable sentimental (though often he is so cute), at times viciously cruel, at times tender and vulnerable and loving––but it is never fully graspable as one's own.  To address an irriducible "you" or a singing-voice "you" as if speaking merely to oneself is to resort to the laziest of mimetic violence (and to signal the need for a gaze turned not superficially but truly outward).

But what is it that is said in such singing?  Nothing of course purely didactic, or direct.  The said is inextricably bound up with, contaminated and ultimately left aside by the saying.  The patience (Blanchot, or Levinas might call it "infinite") with which the anonymous 'it' speaks (and yet, never quite patiently enough), seems to spring from an almost untouchable, if not hollow and contradictory place with-in the artist (Dylan, you'll recall, once referred to it as "ruthless"), and as such it is permitted, sometimes, to 'touch' on some-thing deeply intimate, and deeply other.  The future, also.  Well that is saying lots and lots, and so maybe very little.  How about this:  within a tradition of roots extending back to folk and blues, and beyond, perhaps, and risking cliché as it may be to say so:  the song itself resists/persists/desists despite the artist but not despite the ears of others. 

There is a rhythm and sense of time, a listening as if always alongside itself, that may be more accurately said to condition the song alone, and remains irreducible to the artist.  When it comes to the listener (including, perhaps, the artist hirself), the 'author' may as well be speaking from another planet.  It is this quality, one of distance and ultimate inaccessibility, that the song alone gives back as it's peculiar (or perhaps not so peculiar) form of uncertain intimacy, or un-common presence. 

If there is a space for a "we" made or cleared away by this anonymity (a space among half-embarassed, half-defiant listeners?), one is tempted to agree that it is only present to itself in brief flashes, or flickers, and that it remains by necessity and definition a "we" devoid of any permanent, founding or universal essence.  Well that is perhaps all vague enough.  Let us flick the remote on this particular paragraph and allow it to deservedly fade.

Kevin Hart remarks in his essay, "The Experience of Poetry," though hardly as a final definition, and only "as a placing shot...that poetry answers to what consciousness registers, not to what is actually lived through, and that it opens onto the truth that experience does not mean the same thing in every region of being." 

And so maybe, if 'pop' is really to be considered art, then in this expansive and yet elegantly simple sense, (if still a bit too noble), Bob Dylan and Radiohead may both be said to give voice to a sort of poetry after all?

By Matt | February 24, 2006 in Art , Culture, Music, Opera, Passivity, Poshlost', Postmodernism, Readings, Writers | Permalink

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Comments

hi Matt,
I still need to finish reading this post, but I wanted to comment while I remembered this stuff... just to add a bit to the comment on authoritarianism in rock, there's a number of stories about the uses of swastikas and related symbols in at least some UK punk circles back in the day. For instance, t one point the proto-Clash were thinking of calling themselves "London SS".

Also, two other articles on music and politics that some folks may be interested in, both connected to Italian far left movements.

One on punk
http://www.nadir.org.uk/punk.html

and another on rap
http://info.interactivist.net/analysis/05/03/22/1712218.shtml?tid=22

best,
Nate

Posted by: Nate | Feb 25, 2006 12:11:19 AM

Nate, thanks.

That was fast; you may wish to hit refresh.

Posted by: Matt | Feb 25, 2006 12:27:12 AM

I, similarly, have to go back and read this post at length. I'm still shocked you know Greg Brown. (Do you have a favorite album?)

Pop, it would seem is at a crossroads, a risk has been thrust upon it by the indie movement, insofar as pop has now to reckon with its very POPularity.

Are we not left vibrating between Benjamin and Adorno, between Art in the Age and Music and the Regression?

I was reading N. the other day and I was struck again by his hatred of the Theater because it was not music, because it lacked
the ability of music to hold itself
above the savage demolotry of popular opinion.

Do we still have such faith in music?

Do we still have such faith in art? In artists?

Or has our experience been so impoverished that even poetry's flicker seems entirely too optimistic?

A question in your nerves is lit
Yet you know there is no answer fit to
satisfy
Insure you not to quit
To keep it in your mind and not fergit
That it is not he or she or them or it
That you belong to.

Although the masters make the rules
For the wise men and the fools
I got nothing, Ma, to live up to.

As the world burns down around us, why is it Dylan who still speaks the sense of our everlasting adolescence?

I got nothing, Ma, to live up to.

nothing

Posted by: Squibb | Feb 25, 2006 1:09:57 AM

Squibb, why shocked? As it happens I'm on eternal record as declaring, with an apparent straight face, "but Greg Brown spoke to something in me that night..." Anyway though, yeah, he's something. You can see maybe why I like his sentimentalism.

Posted by: Matt | Feb 25, 2006 1:27:07 AM

Speaking of poetry though, people might appreciate these readings/filming recently given by 13-year-old son of Celan-translator Pierre Joris.

Posted by: Matt | Feb 25, 2006 1:56:38 AM

This is totally inappropriate, but I've gotta say again, you're all wrong about this:

Call Dylan's prose poetry if you must––it is often utterly banal if not flat on the page

Maybe on the page, but not on the ear-drum. Take this verse of "Hard Rain's Gonna Fall." Now, of course, he's doing a sort of psychadelicized Whitman thing here. Sure. And sometimes the images fall flat or are a bit too patly "symbolic." But if you LISTEN to the stuff, if you're listening for technical brilliance, holy shit.

Oh, what did you see, my blue-eyed son?
Oh, what did you see, my darling young one?
I saw a newborn baby with wild wolves all around it
I saw a highway of diamonds with nobody on it,
I saw a black branch with blood that kept drippin',
I saw a room full of men with their hammers a-bleedin',
I saw a white ladder all covered with water,
I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken,
I saw guns and sharp swords in the hands of young children,
And it's a hard, and it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard,
And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

The alliterative patterning is the place to start, these periodically occurring triplets. "black branch with blood," ten thousand talkers whose tongue." But that's not enough of course. How but stuff like the a-b-b-a, in "guns and sharp swords in the hands" where it's a-a end rhyming and b-b off-alliterating.

Or metrically, this repeated dactyl-spondee combo, that's awfully hard to fit out repeatedly. "hammers a-bleedin" "covered with water," "tongues were all broken," "hands of young children." The tour de force aspect of this is the fact that he doesn't use the same syntactical form to fill out the metric each time - which would be way easier.

All sorts of other stuff that glues the lines together: the recurrent double-stress in the middle/beginning of each line. The amazing aspect of this is to use so often words that are double stressed themselves rather than two stressed words: "newborn," "highway"... Not easy to find, and brilliant when mixed with stuff like "black branch."

And the terrific scattered mid-line off-rhymes - baby / body, water / ladder.

I could probably do this for every section in the song. Just trying to say, well, to prove, Dylan's stuff is technically rich. And the amazing thing about it is that it seems totally intuitively done, done by ear, rather than cerebrally, like say Hopkins with his crazy notations. Like Dylan just made it up as he went along... Almost savant-ish, to come up with stuff like that on the fly...

(And lest I get accused of horrendous cerebralism about all this - lemme just say that this is the first time I ever looked at this song on the page. I don't sit around scanning Dylan songs for fun... But I've been hearing all this, indistinctly, in this song for awhile now....)

Posted by: CR | Feb 25, 2006 1:57:12 AM

Well I knew I was going to continue to get shit for this.

I've no idea what Mark would say, but for my part let me try putting it this way: to reduce Dylan to a poet, is to miss some very unique, if not defining things about Dylan. It is to miss, just for example, the deliberate, almost habitually mocking (ntrw) excessive-emphasis that he gives to certain words, or even syllables...his taunting, chanting, childish, often bitingly ironic if not deliberately repulsive side. To call this aspect of his performance--the "Don't Look Back" or the "asshole" Dylan--"poetry" is just ridiculous. For one thing, such performance depends upon a foil, whether it be a naively sincere and unoriginal newsman looking for "the facts" about "the artist," or an aspect of a culture itself. Are you volunteering still, to be the reporter in "Don't Look Back?"

Now watch me be an elitist, and in bad form carry on...There is some beatnik poetry, sure, and I don't mean that anywhere near as dismissively as it might sound. But some things--the love "poems", also--simply do not come across as intended without the saying or the song. I feel they would fall flat. This is admittedly a weaker argument, as poetry is meant to be experienced, in a sense, and so performed. But the solitude of the poem is somewhat different, I think. The audience is there, but in more sober, spectral form.

Can you imagine Celan, or Baudelaire, being sung by a pop artist! Of course it could only be ironic, or comical. Death Fugue, comical! Next up, Simon Critchley singing Badiou (thank God, not yet) (I know Badiou doesn't think highly of poetry, but he is not the first philosopher to be wrong.) Bottom line seems: the medium itself--in all the ways Mark suggests--is antithetical to the timbre and tone unique to poetry, antithetical to such pretension. Dylan could only be poetry in the sense that Ginsberg's "Ballad of the Skeletons" was spoken-word put to music, I think. Even Billy Collins couldn't really be sung, without risking ridiculousness.

Anyway CR, have you ever read any of Dylan's actual poems? It didn't go so well.

Posted by: Matt | Feb 25, 2006 2:50:04 AM

I can't believe there is even debate that pop may or may not be political! Of course it is; everything can be analyzed through the lens.

Posted by: Edie | Feb 25, 2006 8:08:11 PM

That may depend how you define politics or "the" political.

CR,

I linked to it in the post, but Ellis Sharp's old reply raises objections similar, at least in some respects, to yours.

It's certainly true that Dylan's prose shares some compositional affinity with poetry. To suggest otherwise would be silly. The question, I think, is whether it may more accurately be said to function as 'pop,' given Mark's tentative definition(s).

But of course you're right, Dylan's cadences, alliteration, rhyming and rhythms are far more complex, and complexly self-referential than that of most popular music. As Ellis points out, his prose is also chock-full of discreet literary allusions. There is an enormous, somewhat Nabakovian body of literature on this. (Though if the Chronicles are to be believed, those iconic pictures of young D in the bookshop may lend themselves to a bit of exaggeration--he defiantly declares a hostility to reading at one point, as I remember. He is certainly mostly "lying". But in any case.)

Ellis argues that these potential winking allusions are similar to the direct references to real people in Dylan's songs, recognition of which forms an essential aspect of appreciation for Dylan-the-man (an appreciation largely lacking in the 'pop' approach--and he may be right). That said, I think it's pretty clear that Mark's piece is merely pursuing a different point, even entertaining a thought-experiment of sorts.

Ellis seems to be led down his own particular path by insisting, paradoxically, that one "aestheticizes" Dylan in the (no doubt) utterly shameful manner of the New Critics by treating him as 'pop', that is, if one doesn't grant his lyrics their proper status as poetry, because for him, apparently, poetry is both aesthetic and inherently political.

That it broadens one's appreciation for Dylan to realize that he was occasionally staging an intervention, as a publicly engaged activist (and so in a sense even as a marxist--or at least a pragmatist), is, however, not necessarily at odds, I don't think, with Mark's argument. The two slip past each other in the night.

Ellis's premise--that Dylan's prose contains literary allusions, and that Dylan is sometimes an activist, may be sound, but his conclusion--therefore Dylan is strictly poety and not 'pop'--doesn't seem to follow.

That is, what if Dylan may be both pop and poetry, depending on which potential in the music one is describing? It seems to me that Mark emphasizes a potential in Dylan that is argued to be emblematic of 'pop', while Ellis emphasizes a potential in Dylan that is emblematic mostly of being Dylan.

{roughly, from memory:}

Girl: "Are the people in your songs ever real, or are they just characters?"

{displaced laughter, lingering from previous exchange}

Dylan: "Whaddayou mean, are they ever real; of course they're real."

G: "I don't know, only I heard that some of the characters in your songs were really real, like real people."

...{more contagious laughter, insterspersed w/ few more subtle chuckles from Ginsberg, et al. on the couch}

D: "Like, what would be an example of a song with a character that was real..."

G: "Well, like {such and such} is supposed to be based on {such and such, obviously ridiculous}"

{laughter}

D: "Oh God...Where did you hear that?"

{still laughter}

G: "{blushing}...I read it in a movie magazine..."

{racous laughter}

D: "Aw geez."

....{everyone in stitches}

D: "All the people in my songs are absolutely real."

Another reporter: "Who's Mr. Jones?"

{laughter}

"...Aw. I'm gonna get you man. I can't tell you that. I'd have to kill you."

{laughter subsiding}

"He's a pin-boy. {couch giggles} And he wears suspenders."

Posted by: Matt | Feb 26, 2006 1:38:04 AM

No doubt... Was just addressing your (repeated) claim that he's "flat" as far as poetry goes. (And yes I've read the "poetry" poetry. And yes, it's derivative garbage).

Otherwise, yes, I agree with your (ultimately Agambendian?) conclusion about the article.

Community via anonymity was perhaps always the secret end of "impersonality" in all its forms...

Posted by: CR | Feb 26, 2006 3:02:51 AM

Emergency message to CR:

CR! I would like to strongly urge you to purchase Bob Dylan's 1975 live performance under the heading of "rolling thunder review," available at amazon.com and other less imperial music outlets. It has a fantastic version of the 'hard rain's gonna fall' song you mention above. But maybe you already have this. But if you don't you have to get it! Everyone else should do the same -- to me it's a revelation.

Posted by: John S. Ransom | Feb 26, 2006 3:48:34 PM

Find your birthday's Pop Zeigeist

(Or various parodies of Dylan and Radiohead lyrics.)

Yes, not telling, but I can live with that.

But speaking of the literature, this pretty much settles the case. Recalling that the ("song and dance") man-himself was hardly very comfortable with the label.

"Anything I can sing, I call a song. Anything I can't sing, I call a poem."

*Sigh* Wouldn't anyone like to comment on the post?

Posted by: Matt | Feb 26, 2006 4:19:21 PM

Wouldn't anyone like to comment on the post?

Too many references to Radiohead. Can't stand them! "Have you heard this awesome new song?" "Uh, yeah, it sounds like a Nirvana out-take." A few years later: "Have you heard this awesome new albumb?" "Uh, yeah, it sounds like a bunch of Tortoise b-sides."

It's likely just me, however. I also firmly hold the opinion that the Arcade Fire have jumped the shark by (1) appearing at the New York Fashion Week, (2) appearing with David Bowie and (3) opening for U2. The third, really, is the nail in the coffin.

Posted by: Craig | Feb 26, 2006 4:38:42 PM

was afraid of that. Maybe it's a generational thing. But still, the argument...

Anyone from over the pond, maybe?

Posted by: Matt | Feb 26, 2006 6:16:02 PM

"That may depend how you define politics or 'the' political."

Pardon my ignorance, but how else is it to be defined? This seems like such a wrist-flick, but carries gravity in its implications. So please explain this to me. If it helps, I did not mean my initial comment as criticism of your post, simply a comment on the first quotation at the beginning. So perhaps you intended it in that spirit as well. But in this current light which is so vague I'm a bit irritated by your response, which seems unnecessary at best. Am I incorrect in this reaction?

Posted by: Edie | Feb 26, 2006 11:04:49 PM

Do you have something to say about that exchange, Edie, other than wrist flicks? (I think it's fairly obvious I don't agree with Darkling-Furniss, no?)

Badiou is also good for wrist flicks, btw.

As is Dylan, incidentally. Oh Mercy is one of my favorite albums, right up there with Infidels.

Posted by: Matt | Feb 27, 2006 10:17:39 AM

Some thoughts as I read your post:

(1) 'Pop' is often understood as a shortened (hip!?) version of 'popular'. Since, however, 'pop' has taken on a life of its own: Britney Spears ('pop=popular') is not the same 'pop' as Fuck ('pop=sensibility'). Fuck's "Laundry Shop" [MP3] is a great 'pop' song, but it certainly isn't 'popular'. It is, however, familiar: even if it is the first time you've ever heard it. Appearing as the eighth song on Side A of his "Conduct" album (Matador 1998), the song is at once both obscure and familiar -- I heard it in the background of a recent episode of "Gray's Anatomy". The song itself, while 'new' then and remaining 'new' to this day, points back to 'popular' music of a forgotten era. Spears, in contrast, 'produces' music from the garbage bin of musical history -- and music that will soon return to the garbage bin. The question, then, is there a real object corresponding to 'pop'?

(2) The High Fidelity phenomena: the cool-loser versus the loser-cool. In pop, a short fat guy or an ugly bald guy can be the coolest people on earth. How is this possible? Well, this is answer is found elsewhere: they listen to music on vinyl. And we know this to be true. The CD version of one of the best albums from the nineties -- I mean, of course, Slint's "Spiderland" -- has "This record was meant to be listened to on vinyl" written on it. No reason is given, but we 'get it' nonetheless. (Is Radiohead available on vinyl?)

(3) "We" and hipster: recently, many have been fascinated by music produced in 'collectives', usually citing Broken Social Scene, as though this is something radically 'new' in pop music. It isn't, of course. Pop is an incestuous network, not of individuals, but of incarnations of individuals into a 'we' -- it isn't individuals, or groups, or bands that we point to, but places and people. "Where are they from?" Kentucky. Seattle. Toronto. Montreal. Upper East Side. Chicago. We 'know' what this means. In the case of the aforementioned Slint, we note that their album, "Spiderland", features a photo on the cover credited to Will Oldham. In addition to being Will Oldham he was, then, also Palace Music, later Palace Brothers, later just plain Palace (just Diddy!), and then, finally, he was Bonnie 'Prince' Billy (the second 'Prince' of pop music?). Passing through his band and (no doubt) through his tour van has been an infinite number of artists we know -- perhaps, most famously, Johnny Cash. But, this meeting point: Will Oldham, on the one hand, and Dave Pajo, Brian McMahan, Britt Walford, and Todd Brashear on the other. But there is more: Steve Albini produced their first album, "Tweez". But, where did these people end up? Pajo has also been involved in Will Oldham's bands, the Chicago 'collective' Tortoise, and, in a totally different Chicago institution, Billy Corgan's other band. McMahan also played with Oldham and, later, in The For Carnation. Walford, doning a women's name and then, later, a grade school joke ("Mike Hunt"), re-appeared in the Breeders. Meanwhile, who is Steve Albini? Well, who isn't he? This game, of course, could be repeated ad infinitum for each member in each band that each person later played in...

Posted by: Craig | Feb 27, 2006 11:09:20 AM

I am struck here by several uncertain tensions.

First, and most clearly to me at least, the dangerous movement between Grief and Radiohead, to pop in general. Grief is writing with skill and passion, Radiohead is doing whatever is radiohead is doing (we'll get there in a moment) with, if I am struck here at two profound points.

First, and most clearly, the inability of Grief to make of pop what he needs of it. Grief is writing with skill and passion, Radiohead is doing whatever it is Radiohead is doing (we'll get there in a moment) with, if Grief is to be believed, and why not, a similar level of commitment. This seems indisputable. Pop, as it were, is at its best in Radiohead. From this vantage point we can see the miles of insight Grief quite effectively maps for us.

This illustrates where I am going:

"Pop does, though, I think, allow you to preserve certain things you’ve already thought, without necessarily having been able to articulate them, and to extend certain feelings you have only intermittent access to, in a different form, in which the cognitive and emotional are less divided."

And then:

" This is not a doctrine the band advances, but an effect of the aesthetic."

The aesthetic of Radiohead, or the aesthetic of Pop? Or, as the article seems to be saying, are the two inseparable? That is to say Radiohead succeeds by virtue of its being pop, or taking place within the realm of pop, its pop-ness makes its what it is. Yet, this only becomes meaningful when Radiohead, or Dylan is the evocateur. Pop happens here in spite of itself, it would seem, by virtue of its not being fully, what it is, or where it is, insofar as we have extrapolated from one or two exceptional examples? (Dylan and Radiohead)

Thus when Grief says

“So, compromised as it always was, music still could become a form of unembarrassed and otherwise inarticulable complaint, capturing what one could not say in reasonable debate, and coming from far enough inside the broadcast culture that it could depict it with its own tools.”

He is saying that the potential for Dylans and Radioheads was always present within pop, but he forgets to specify where the difference between broadcast culture and the inarticulate complaint, comes to-be-by-virtue-of… what? Dylan and Radiohead, presumably, but then they happen despite pop, despite broadcast culture, not because of it. Thus I would take the inarticulable complaint argument at face value, and say yes, it is inarticulateable outside an always compromised sphere. And that this compromise is what makes it pop. And that Dylan and Radiohead can be seen as saying something within the compromise does little to assure me that they have not succeeded in spite of their medium rather than because of it. Or, at the very least, theirs is the most impoverished of successes.

It might be argued that artists have always succeeded against the norm of their medium, but I would say that Andy Warhol, by working in the medium he did, could own this compromise and master it. Pop musicians cannot. Now perhaps this amounts to saying Andy could do what he did because he was always already ineffectual, and thus his anticipation of said inefficacy meant something. And that I am holding pop’s success against it, but this is the second issue

“They were not an avant-garde. The political problem of an artistic avant-garde, especially when it deals with any new technology of representation, has always been that the simply novel elements may be mistaken for some form of political action or progress. Two meanings of “revolutionary”—one, forming a turn-about in formal technique, the other, contributing to social cataclysm—are often confused, usually for the artist’s benefit, and technology has a way of becoming infatuated with its own existence.”

Simply novel! What cursory cruelty to such a noble tradition! What could have happened for novelty to become simple, mere, but a fleeting moment? What of the relationship of to novelty? What have we learned since May 68? Is it not that there is no simple novelty that capital can’t reproduce, no artistic moment of detourement that the market can’t trace back upon itself? (Unless the work itself is not the work if the market makes more of, a constitutive anti-commodity…)

The confusion Grief asserts denies the entirety of the avant-garde, that a pointed bit of new COULD CONTRIBUTE TO A SOCIAL CATACLYSM. He may be right, but then there would be nothing for art, nothing but… pop – AND NOT THE POP HE WANTS.

Thus Grief’s new is the new of fashion, not the high novelty of the event, but the repeated sameness-in-difference that he finds located always at the heart of pop.

(1) Always compromised,
(2) never truly new,

but revolutionary in such a way as to rip the term of anything that can be considered meaningful; Grief clears the space for the ultimate location of pop where it belongs, in the nothing that it represents. Pop is here structurally isolated against the event.

If pop is always compromised, and incapable of contributing to revolution, what of the tension we would call its poetry. I would say that it IS reflective, and thus,

Pop’s poetry is the poetry of anorexia, of the thrashing, helpless subjective-idea turned against itself, finding a moment of affirmation in the smallest manipulation of specific images from amongst the swirling spectacle. I’m your BIGGEST fan, I’m THINNER than I was, THERE IS a relationship here that speaks to my being somewhere, somehow alive.

The only thing that pop’s poetry teaches us is that we have learned nothing from poetry.

All that’s solid melts into the air.

No alarms and no surprises, (here).

Posted by: Squibb | Feb 27, 2006 3:43:35 PM

Britney Spears ('pop=popular') is not the same 'pop' as Fuck ('pop=sensibility').

I'm not I grasp this distinction, though it seems a possibility. Doesn't Britney Spears also espouse a sensibility, of sorts? Doesn't a sensibility that defines itself in opposition to popularity still aspire to popularity, or at least accessibility, of a sort?

answer is found elsewhere: they listen to music on vinyl. And we know this to be true. The CD version of one of the best albums from the nineties -- I mean, of course, Slint's "Spiderland" -- has "This record was meant to be listened to on vinyl" written on it.

Yes, and the intertextual work of 'spinning' of course, feeding the re-focus on means of production, and not just 'retro'?

Interesting point about "collectives."

Pop, as it were, is at its best in Radiohead.

Doesn't Greif explicitly refrain from making such statements!?

I would take the inarticulable complaint argument at face value, and say yes, it is inarticulateable outside an always compromised sphere.

Are you suggesting it is condemned? That there can only ever be Campell Soup cans made from 'pop', or maybe not even this? Isn't there some value in a lighthearted undercutting that may "take place"? Something ever-so-slighly more than nothing..

Pop is...structurally isolated against the event.

Can you possibly say more about this?

The only thing that pop’s poetry teaches us is that we have learned nothing from poetry.

How so?

I like very much CR's suggestion, that Mark is here taking "seriously" (though not ponderously, or merely vaguely) the possibility that 'pop' may be understood in an Agamben(/Benjaminian) light...and so redeemed, in a sense, from the realm of only negative political potential, or simple foreclosure, or inhibition. Even if the political "success" of pop remains limited to, or lies only in reminding us of/holding us in 'potential'. Or a certain awareness of potential. Yes? No? (Stretching Benjamin too far onto territory of 'what would Zizek do?')

Posted by: Matt | Feb 27, 2006 8:26:17 PM

"We" and hipster: recently, many have been fascinated by music produced in 'collectives', usually citing Broken Social Scene, as though this is something radically 'new' in pop music. It isn't, of course. Pop is an incestuous network, not of individuals, but of incarnations of individuals into a 'we' -- it isn't individuals, or groups, or bands that we point to, but places and people. "Where are they from?" Kentucky. Seattle. Toronto. Montreal. Upper East Side. Chicago.

From Dylan's Chronicles: Volume One:

"I told him I was playing in the folk clubs, but it was impossible to give him any indication of what it was all about. His only reference would have been The Kingston Trio, Brothers Four, stuff like that. He'd become a crowd pleaser in the pop world. As for myself, I had nothing against pop songs, but the definition of pop was changing. They just didn't seem to be as good as they used to be. I loved songs like "Without a Song," "Old Man River," "Stardust" and hundreds of others. My favorite of all the new ones was "Moon River." I could sing that in my sleep. My Huckleberry friend, too, was up there, waiting 'round the bend maybe on 14th Street. At Ray's, where there weren't many folk records, I used to play the phenomenal "Ebb Tide" by Frank Sinatra a lot and it had never failed to fill me with awe. The lyrics were so mystifying and stupendous. When Frank sang that song, I could hear everything in his voice–death, God and the universe, everything. I had other things to do, though, and I couldn't be listening to that stuff much." (80-81)

And later in the same:

"I recorded some of the earlier stuff from the MacLeish play that did have melodies and that seemed to go well. Whatever else fit–fragments, tunes, offbeat phrases. It didn't matter. My reputation was firm in hand–at least these songs wouldn't make any gory headlines. Message songs? There weren't any. Anybody listening for them would have to be disappointed. As if I was going to make a career out of that anyway. Regardless, you could still feel the anticipation in the air. When will the old him be back? When will the door burst open and the goose appear? Not today. I felt like these songs could blow away in cigar smoke, which suited me just fine. That my records were still selling surprised even me. Maybe there were good songs in the grooves and maybe there weren't–who knows? But they weren't the kind where you hear an awful roaring in your head. I knew what those kind of songs were like and these weren't them. It's not like I hadn't any talent, I just wasn't feeling the full force of the wind. No stellar explosions. I was leaning against the console and listening to one of the playbacks. It sounded okay.

Johnston had asked me earlier, "What do you think you'll call this record?" Titles! Everybody likes titles. There's a lot to be said in a title. I didn't know, though, and hadn't thought about it. But one thing I did know was there'd be a photo of me and Victoria Spivey on the cover. The photo had been taken a few years ealier in a small recording studio. I knew that this photo would be on the cover even before I recorded the songs. Maybe I was even making this record because I had the cover in mind and needed something to go into the sleeve. It could be. "Down and Out on the Scene, how does that sound?" Johnston stared at me and made out of it what he would. "Oh shit, that's gonna defang 'em all." I didn't know who the "them all" were that he was referring to, probably the executives at Columbia Records. He was always at war with them for some reason or another. He thought of them as a bunch of rattlesnakes. "On what scene, where?" he asked. "It should be big." Johnston liked places. He had produced the Johny Cash at San Quentin record. He liked naming places, thought they created atmospheres. "Oh, I don't know, someplace on top of the world. Paris, Barcelona, Athens...one of those places." Johnston looked up. "Oh shit man, I gotta get me a travel poster. That's great!" But it wasn't great. It was too soon to be talking about a title, anyway." (138-139)

Posted by: Matt | Feb 27, 2006 8:58:35 PM

A community of the Pop question, about the possibility of the Pop question?

(oh, we're having fun now)

Yes, Grief does explicitly refrain from such statements, couching his entire approach in a disavowal of the dissolve I wish to place at the center of his map. What else to make of an essay on the philosophy of pop that denies the movement to abstraction, the movement to philosophy? Are we to believe that he can hear constellate a single star?

"If you were to develop a philosophy of pop, you would have to clear the field of many obstacles. You would need to focus on a single band, to let people know you had not floated into generalities."

Have I missed something here? Must a philosophy of Pop reflect its subject's myopic self-indulgence? Has Grief gorged himself on radiohead and then disavowed the lineage in a conscious parody of the insidious forgetfulness lurking at the top of all our charts? Am I the only one who finds this opening ridiculous? (I may have missed something, honestly, god knows its happened before)


What is it you find redemptive in the lighthearted cutting we would seek? The very-little it would take to get us off the hook? (the new YinYangTwinsSongbythe way, 'shake'? Fabulous) How much of that is proper to pop? Its possibility? Why does pop need the benefit of our doubt?

I would agree about the negative political value of pop, the restlessness of hegemony's mastery of negation... but to what end? The safe apportion of potentiality? Did the devil sell me his own absence for the price of a Rage CD? Have I stepped too far outside the dialectic? (What would Foucault say of pop anyway? did he?)

'event,' in my impoverished understanding, reorganizes the structure present before its appearance; redeploys a situation structurally incapable of accounting for the sudden radicality of its presence. (L’avenir, the arrival of the absolutely other) Pop, as fundamentally a method of production, a situation (strong form, not a style, weak form) is thus incapable of producing along the lines here prescribed, if it did, it wouldn't be pop, the stifling banality that it is, or at the very least, the redemptive modicum, the very little, would be unaccountable by the standards which make it 'pop.'

(What does it mean, politically, to love jazz, really love it, completely? Ethically, can we separate it from the history which produced it?
How about the blues?)

Can poetry at once rehearse our access to Being and delimit it within the (vulgar, spectacular) ontic? Is it just a question of where your circles get drawn? (Who is to say who’s ontic poetry’s taking-place provincializes?) Or can it be only one or the other, either pop or poetry? Either art or commodity? Either authentic or some plastic fetish?
is it a fight to the death between Heidegger’s poem and Benjamin’s photograph? Does anyone still believe Marlraux?

I guess I would rather call on Pop to exist in a world not marked by the injustice that has coincided with its appearance, rather than start washing hands this early in the slaughter.

Dogmatic, reductive, almost Catholic on some stupid level, but its how I feel. Dylan doesn’t need my forgiveness, nor, I don’t think, would he want it. Like I said, I got nothing…

Posted by: Squibb | Feb 27, 2006 10:07:29 PM

You have lots of questions! Interesting though. To be honest, as far as I catch the hints of their various trajectories, they seem like good ones. In his defense I think Greif acknowledges the potential for such hubris, if not even that his is a somewhat fanciful endeavor (the subject itself may seem, to him at least, to demand this; but I think you're right there's a preemptive foreclosure of some sort).

Though I think he ends up making an Agamben-inflected argument, bearing on both quodlibet or 'whatever being' and 'potenzia', I wish he'd gotten more explicitly philosophical (and less literary, perhaps) and daring about it... however risking even greater hubris, and whatever this might mean. Maybe if the example had been jazz, you say? Remember his example is "not the most anything", so if not this, what sort of exemplarity, if any, still ap-plies? (Does he really "deny" the move to abstraction entirely or just veil it?)

Posted by: Matt | Feb 27, 2006 11:34:15 PM

I'm not sure I grasp this distinction, though it seems a possibility. Doesn't Britney Spears also espouse a sensibility, of sorts? Doesn't a sensibility that defines itself in opposition to popularity still aspire to popularity, or at least accessibility, of a sort?

Pop as sensibility versus pop as popular. The difference blends into the other quite readily and that's why pop is always compromised; especially "indie" pop! Consider the aesthetic of lo-fi home recordings where nearly everything is put to three barre chords and whatever other instruments can be played. (Although it seems this aesthetic has possibly given way to mash ups. And I'm likely dating myself here!) The boy (and this is the only possible word!) would literally produce hundreds and hundreds of songs (Rivers Cuomo, of Weezer, used to maintain an online database of all the songs he recorded -- complete with lyrics, an MP3, and a serial number -- literally thousands and this was a few years ago) and distribute them by cassette. Of course, inevitably, one of these songs would catch on (in some sense) and the pop sensibility itself would be compromised by the songs finding an audience. The idea of "selling out" isn't unique to crappy teenage punk bands. But, of course, everyone wants their song in an Apple or Volkswagen commercial or on the soundtrack to the O.C., Grey's Anatomy, or whatever.

I'm labouring the point, but here it is: pop=sensibility and pop=popular meet in the market: if Britney Spears were to "only" sell a hundred thousand CDs, the album would be a failure. Meanwhile, the most recent Broken Social Scene CD has sold about 115,000 copies (according to the article in this week's New York Times magazine). Thus is a success and leads to accusations of selling out, being commercial, only interested in the money. Whereas not finding a market is the essence of the pop sensibily, not finding a market is a failure of the popular sensibility. And, returning to poor old Rivers Cuomo, this is his tragedy: he's caught between the two.

Perhaps the difference is better captured in the forms of recognition that are the prize of the respective fields: making the Pitchfork annual top one hundred ("critical acclaim") versus getting a Grammy nomination ("mainstream success"). Maybe this is also, like Rivers Cuomo, the tragedy of Kanye West. (But does he write pop?)

My point is likely still elusive.

Posted by: Craig | Feb 27, 2006 11:58:00 PM

Hm..Actually, I think maybe you should have written this post instead of me (how would you have framed our man Greif?) I might have known better than to weigh in, even if only with introductory floating generalies, on something about which I know so little, almost nothing. Could we maybe talk about Caetano Veloso, Bach or Tom Waits, or something?

Posted by: Matt | Feb 28, 2006 12:15:32 AM

Could we maybe talk about Caetano Veloso, Bach or Tom Waits, or something?

But I know so little of them! Could this be another aspect of the pop universe: its sheer immensity?

Posted by: Craig | Feb 28, 2006 8:04:42 AM

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