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April 19, 2006

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Jon

"In other words, its emphasis on geopolitics and the differentia specifica, put in such a way that it is not a question of reasserting, with either a socialist pathos or maoist bluster that tends to accompany such, that subalternity (or use-value) might serve as an onto-theological anchor."

Can you unpack this? I'm finding it hard to figure out.

s0metim3s

It does run, doesn't it?

But it's extremely late in this part of world at the moment, so I'm going to sleep, and then perhaps read over the discussion that's occured thus far about value tomorrow, and get back with something less dashed.

Matt

But, indeed, "before there is language, there are languages", as someone would say (though, it remains to ask whether this statement exists in its temporal, integrative sense, as the hope or promise of a lingua franca).

At worst, there is trivialisation, borne I would hazard of an anxiety that one's sight might become impaired

recalls for me something of this:

...the metaphysician, to say what he wants to say, needs to view matters from a standpoint outside language, a standpoint in principle inaccessible to him. As Derrida puts it, 'it is impossible to dominate philosophical metaphorics as such, from the exterior, by using a concept of metaphor which remains a philosophical product' ('WM', p. 228)

The anxiety belongs to 'hearing' (or even 'music') as well. Anyway it'd be nice (if a bit ridiculously ambitious) to hear more on this lingua franca, as spectral revenant, say, or even a certain 'disaster' (cf "The Eyes of Language")

s0metim3s

Jon,

Maybe if I put it this way: I'm not sure it's possible to disassociate pity from an enobling voyeurism and an accompanying missionary approach; nor the turn to the peasantry from assertions of a presumably non-capitalist,or pre-capitalist, authenticity. I'm sure there are sincere attempts to do just that, but I don't find them persuasive. Actually, I'm inclined to be repelled by evocations of pity as much as claims of authenticity, and this likely has as much to do with biography as with anything else.

Pity acknowledges a difference and establishes relation as benevolence; authenticity knows difference only so far (the cuts of gender, for one, being deemed secondary), or asserts it as a kind of self-sufficiency.

Anyway, the senses in which use-value assumes an ontological status and acquires transcendental propulsion for the trajectory, seems, to me, to be expressed along those axes. I don't think, politically or analytically, that the sense of use-value can be detached from exchange-value, and certainly not through the presentation of figures, more or less pityable or authentic.

Does that make what I was getting at clearer?

And, to segue on, via the ghostly revenant of a dislocated third world nationalism ...

Matt, you might find Gareth Williams' "Subalternity and the Neoliberal
Habitus: Thinking Insurrection on the El Salvador/South Central Interface" of interest. (Nepantla, 1:1, 2000) Up on Muse, or I can reproduce it somewhere if asked.

pomegrenade

I read this (as usual with your posts) by many asterixes flickering on the margins. It was "re-constellating," I guess.

The anxiety of the philosopher of truth when faced with the grained, textured, not quite transparent... And is this not one's way of desisting within the currency of the given language after all?

I share also that oscillation between refusal and desistance. Trying to think this I realized how (at least for me) the former is associated with a more definite form (a knowing-where-to-go), whereas the latter leaves room for multiplicity of strategies, styles yet to be developed. But isn't there something wrong here? What is so definite about refusal after all, except it being the act of a definite cut? To take up Jon's vocabulary, can the cut be independent of the trajectory that follows from it? So does not refusal imply at least as diversified a range of strategies as the desistance? The "working out" of which will still require labor?

By the way, it could be a good idea to go back here to Spivak's "Revolutions that as yet have no model," which I'd read quite some time ago..

s0metim3s

Pom, I'm glad it sparked.

I'm not at all sure that I'd associate the theoreticians of refusal with the politics of 'What is to be Done?'.

It can be, of course, but what I take from the philosophers of desistance is (both you and Jodi have pressed upon this term) indeterminacy, contingency. And of capitalism, as well as any strategy or trajectory.

What I don't take from the philosophers of the desistance is their willingness to tarry with the politics of rights and democracy - which I think tends to flow from a kind of dehistoricised, indifferent sensibility, at times.

So, yes, I agree very much that the only thing definite about refusal is the cut? Minimally, this is the cut of time, between the now and the not-now.

pomegrenade

Politics of rights and democracy as at best where politics is subsumed by ethics..?

I'd read your co-authored article on Nancy and Tronti, where the brief criticism of Chris Fynsk also stood out for me cause although I never really became his student i'd come to this department thinking i would. I thought your criticism was apt. But i'd like to have another chat on Lacoue-Labarthe's version of desistance, at a more convenient time, perhaps..

The problem with the cut seems to be that it "recovers" too soon. Or, there's always someone willing to make themselves home in the empty center.

To protect the "not-now" from the projections of the "now" cannot be entrusted, I feel, to the western subject. It can only come in ruptures of the subaltern, with whatever the strength left in her/him.

s0metim3s

Politics of rights and democracy as at best where politics is subsumed by ethics..?

Something very much like that.

I take your point about making one's home in the empty centre. But, then, potentia is not, quite, empty (even if it is indeterminate). I think that's where I'd make some parallels between, or reconceive, the subaltern (in the way that you mention it here), labour and the trajectory.

I was also thinking we might return to the desistance, and the cut. You, me, definitely Amie, and perhaps Matt, (and others).

pomegrenade

I'd look forward to a roundtable (or picnic) on desistance. Probably along with the whole question of quietism that haunts some of our favorite thinkers--whether it is inevitable or contingent...etc.

(And by which time I'll hopefully have a laptop and more continuous internet access..


s0metim3s

A picnic would be lovely.

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