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Brett

Tocqueville, Schmitt, Tronti - these are, for me, the three great thinkers of (modern) democracy. Each writes in the face of an epochal defeat. The defeat of feudalism, the defeat of fascism, the defeat of communism – these are the passages that have left democracy as victor.

Here are three quotes worth contemplating:

Can it be believed that democracy, which has overthrown the feudal system, and vanquished kings, will retreat before tradesmen and capitalists? (Tocqueville)

Democracy is a form of state that corresponds to the principle of identity: it is the identity of the dominators and the dominated, of the governors and the governed, of those who command and those who obey. (Schmitt)

Quite paradoxically, while the dictatorships rekindled the passion for liberty, the democracies have extinguished it. (Tronti)

Brett

Faith in populism is surely as dangerous as faith in kings. And I would add, faith in the Leviathan as dangerous as faith in the Prince.

Defeat shatters faith and can produce insight, whether in the idiom of mourning or its desperate refusal.

Democracy, by contrast, seems the political religion of the moment - the refrain of the victorious if not of the free.

Salem, anyone?

Matt

Spotted in a post here:

Democracy is the most vile form of government... democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention: have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property: and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. -- James Madison

The most popular man under a democracy is not the most democratic man, but the most despotic man. The common folk delight in the exactions of such a man. They like him to boss them. Their natural gait is the goose step. -- H.L. Mencken

'Democracy,' in the United States rhetoric refers to a system of governance in which elite elements based in the business community control the state by virtue of their dominance of the private society, while the population observes quietly. So understood, democracy is a system of elite decision and public ratification, as in the United States itself. Correspondingly, popular involvement in the formation of public policy is considered a serious threat. It is not a step towards democracy; rather it constitutes a 'crisis of democracy' that must be overcome. -- Noam Chomsky

s0metim3s

On Salem - and I take it you mean the witchhunts, Brett? - I've been meandering around the connections between the kind of stuff that Federici discusses in Caliban and the Witch (the mechanisation of the body, in particular) and this separation/relation between the figures of man and citizen. This could be because I've been watching too much Battlestar Galactica of late ... Nevertheless, when the question of why one would abandon democracy to the 'enemy' is posed, it's the account Federici gives of history that comes to mind.

And how is it that Nomsky can be so half-right so often?

s0metim3s

Some of that meandering here.

Brett

Yes, yes, the witches. Although now that the troll post from Okstok Mada I was responding to has been removed, the remark has little context.

Still I look forward to following your meanderings.

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