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Stanley Fish in the NY Times a few days ago:
All you have to do is remember that academic freedom is just that: the freedom to do an academic job without external interference. It is not the freedom to do other jobs, jobs you are neither trained for nor paid to perform. While there should be no restrictions on what can be taught — no list of interdicted ideas or topics — there should be an absolute restriction on appropriating the scene of teaching for partisan political ideals. Teachers who use the classroom to indoctrinate make the enterprise of higher education vulnerable to its critics and shortchange students in the guise of showing them the true way.
Sure, I suppose I agree. In practice even more than in theory. I certainly don't "indoctrinate" in my classroom. But, on the other hand, I certainly do expose my students to the historical record, positions and representations taken with regard to and within the historical record, and in general a more sophisticated, probing way of viewing the world than the one they brought into the classroom, or so I at least hope. All of which is kosher under Fish's rules, as everything is always up for argument and discussion, of course. I never, in arguments and discussion, take sides except for pedagogically productive purposes, a play acting of argument to move things along.
But, I imagine, given the "ideas or topics" that I teach about, and the quality of my non-indoctrinary teaching, there's a strong likelihood that the students emerge, on aggregate, further "left" than they entered the classroom. In fact, one might well make the argument that the non-indoctrinary approach that someone like me - or perhaps someone like Fish, who knows - takes is nothing more than a subtler, more efficient approach to political conversion - even indoctrination - than, say, the lame dork who shows Fahrenheit 9/11 to his physics class. What if I, in fact, have learned the hidden-in-plain-sight tactics of the mainstream media, constantly staging a debate that in fact is just a show trial, incessantly giving my students the illusion of autonomous participation, when in fact the game is rigged from the start?
It is tough to figure out what Fish would say to this, as he ignores the possibility that the free trade in ideas might itself be deployed in the service of ideological mystification. Is it simply a question of openness to the possibility that the students will truly find their own way? When I was a kid at Catholic school, I learned that the rhythm method was a permissible form of birth control family planning because it demonstrated an openness to pregnancy, whereas the Pill or condoms did not. Fuzzy logic, to be sure. Where does good old fashion coitus interruptus fall on the scale? The nuns didn't go there, strangely enough.
Last semester, so effectively did I not-indoctinate my class that they found a book whose politics I find very intriguing indeed (William Morris's News from Nowhere) entirely ridiculous. I couldn't stop talking about utopia and the limits of fiction and they, almost as a one, took the position that Morris demonstrates through his fiction the absolute impossibility of anarchic socialism. I can't help but think that they, following their teacher's lead, underread the book... But perhaps that was just, for me, an acceptable risk, a write-off, in my grand campaign to have my beliefs metastasize through the student body... L'effet du réel, as it were...
In short, I think Fish too is underreading the situation. Or, perhaps, he's writing in bad faith, fully aware that the free trade in ideas is not only a rhetorical trick, but is in fact the definitive rhetorical trick of our time. "We report, you decide," right? The piece would then be a brilliantly performative piece, engaging in the very tactic of manipulation-via-objectivity that it would be tacticly endorsing. I wish it were the latter, but I suspect it's the former. One might so easily imagine an entire army of leftist professors with Fish's article in hand, bent on ideological domination of the student masses, all in agreement that the best approach is the one of least resistance. Stage debates, employ the silence and cunning of impersonality, shift the goalpost, and reap the ideological benefits in the end. This already, to my mind, is the case (but from a different ideological direction) in US economics departments, where reality itself is conservatively liberal and the price of admission is the acceptance of the status quo.
One other thing: I wonder what Fish would make of politically-polemical or at least engaged writing on the part of academics. Writing occupies such an ambiguous place in our work. The toughest part of my job for my father, who is distinctly not an academic, to understand is the fact that I need to write - that that is what, almost exclusively as I work at a research university, will earn me tenure. There is no way in but to write, and no way to stay but to write, but we are paid to teach. I have to write, but no one is required to read what I write. So where does this fit in his rulebook?
UPDATE: The Naked Gaze has a good post up on Fish et al...By CR | July 27, 2006 in Academia | Permalink
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Coitus interruptus = the sin of Onan.
It ain't kosher for Catholics (or so I understand as a Catholically educated Protty).
Posted by: Andrew Simone | Jul 28, 2006 1:20:46 AM
No, I know it's not. But how different is it, anyway, from the rhythm method, in terms of success (or should that be "failure") rate?
The woman who taught rhythm method in my parish had twelve children. Seriously. I'm not sure that she had ever had a period, at least not after marriage.
(Catholic schools, at least the one I went to, only charge for the first two kids - after that, the rest are free of charge.)
Wait! Why are we talking about this?!?!?
Posted by: CR | Jul 28, 2006 1:28:06 AM
(By the way, the entire Catholic prophilaxis turn was my attempt at being Zizekian. He's got French/German/English toilets and pubic hair styles, I've got the rhythm method... What do you think?)
Posted by: CR | Jul 28, 2006 1:35:01 AM
What's funny is that Fish's own position is held to be apolitical. One shouldn't be partisan or have an allegiance in the classroom, but presumably one should have allegiance and be partisan for precisely the kind of classroom neutrality and academic freedom Fish is arguing for. It seems likely that if a student in a classroom of Fish's were to argue against nonpartisan teaching or against academic freedom Fish would respond with his own arguments, with the intention to convince the student. How this partisanship and allegiance on Fish's part is supposed to be not partisanship and allegiance is beyond me.
In case you haven't seen it, Eagleton on Fish from the London Review of Books -
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v22/n05/eagl01_.html
Posted by: Nate | Jul 28, 2006 12:19:02 PM
My favorite moment from the piece on Fish by Eagleton pointed out by Nate above:
"What these essays [by Fish] do, in effect, is what so much Post-Modern thought does when confronted with a 'bad' universality - which is to say, set up a 'bad' particularism in its place. They fail to grasp that such militant particularism is just the flipside of the vacuous universalism it deplores, rather than a genuine alternative to it. Stanley Fish is the flipside of John Rawls rather as tribalism is the terrible twin of globalism, or the view from nowhere is inevitably countered by the view from us alone. In this respect, Fish is a fully paid-up tribalist who, like Slobodan Milosevic, champions a unique people moulded by its own peculiar customs and traditions. It is just that to Milosevic these people are known as Serbs, and to Fish as academics."
Posted by: John Ransom | Jul 28, 2006 2:32:38 PM
He pulls no punches, that lofty Althusserian. And Fish does make a tasty target, every time.
But may I just say, Eagleton's indefatigable smugness is only refreshing, in my experience, so long as it remains in doses not to exceed three paragraphs a sitting, and preferably following a three to six year's abstinence.
Any more exposure or proximity and his cultivated superiority, his daggers of clever, tried and true resentment may become irresistibly contagious, and one may indeed risk becoming likewise just "that guy," namely, the one doing that default "skewering" of the other's (always patently obvious) "rhetoric," yet again (as if, indeed, everyone who begs to differ is only ever capable of treating you in turn). It is all very pessimistic and cheaply cynical, this prescribing tick of his, much-touted returns to morality notwithstanding (or even, part and parcel of?).
Posted by: Donohue Psurmegill | Jul 28, 2006 8:30:16 PM
Rather like a cheap vending pre-packaged cheesecake, our Terry. Ultimately not good for you, certainly not something to partake of except in the most extreme moderation, and not comparable to better varieties. Still, hits the spots great every once in a while, and great for cleansing the palate of vile tastes like Fish if there's nothing else on hand.
Posted by: Nate | Jul 29, 2006 5:53:24 PM
Astonishing: an entire post, and an entire thread, that completely fails to address the actual point at issue - the veracity of the Bush Gang's account of its casus belli for Endless War.
Truly, it's the Forbidden Topic.
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Kevin Barrett Responds to NY Times Op-Ed "Conspiracy Theories 101":
Fish is right. As university instructors, we are being paid to teach students to think critically, not to parrot our personal views or regurgitate received wisdom. I say this despite the fact that one of my most valuable learning experiences as an undergraduate at the University of Wisconsin-Madison in the 1970s was auditing the classes of the late Harvey Goldberg, a radical socialist firebrand whose lectures, delivered in an inimitable rant while stalking the stage and gesturing in the manner of Mick Jagger, could hardly be described as dispassionate critical performances. Goldberg is still a hero of mine, though I no longer fall within hailing distance of his ideology or teaching style.
So how will I teach students about "9/11 and the war on terror"? Fish writes: “Any idea can be brought into the classroom if the point is to inquire into its structure, history, influence and so forth.” In an introductory course on Islam, it is entirely appropriate to devote a week to inquiring into the structure, history and influence of the “war on terror” as it is perceived by Muslims as well as non-Muslims. The fact that somewhere between 60% (Pew, 6/2006) and 89% (al-Jazeera, 10/2003) of Muslims and al-Jazeera viewers respectively believe that the story of the “19 Arab hijackers” is a lie is interesting, and worthy of critical analysis and inquiry. Likewise, the fact that 42% of Americans believe that the 9/11 Commission Report is a coverup (Zogby, May 2006) and that half of New Yorkers believe that top US officials committed high treason and conspiracy to mass murder on 9/11/01 (Zogby, 8/2004) is worthy of critical analysis—in the New York Times as well as the academy. Since there are a great many critics of the 9/11 Commission Report who appear to be arguing rationally and citing evidence that is not easily dismissed, it is imperative that the full light of critical scrutiny be focused on their claims."
http://www.mujca.com/nytimesoped.htm
Posted by: warszawa | Jul 30, 2006 11:35:33 AM
hi Warszawa,
I'm glad to know more about all this, but I personally don't have much to say about it. If Barrett's right then many things from 2001 are all the more horrifying. If he's wrong, it's still all quite horrifying and the Bush gang and its actions are still to be opposed. Given that I'm not engaged in anti-war activity, such that I've not paid a whole lot of attention to all this, the information doesn't make a whole lot of difference to me either way and I'm not interested in (wouldn't feel right) speculating. I can of course see how this _is_ tremendously important for the organized anti-war movement for agit-prop purposes, and I hope folks are researching further and putting together good materials with the information. Even still, the information, the Bush gang's reasons for the war, does not seem to me to be the primary important thing for the anti-war movement. The Bush's wrongness and the movement's rightness (and efficacy) doesn't stand and fall with who flew the planes.
Best,
Nate
Posted by: Nate | Jul 30, 2006 12:34:37 PM
Nate, an American academic is currently being threatened with unemployability for daring to question the Bush's Gang's grotesquely threadbare account of The Crime That Justifies Everything. That uninvestigated crime is still serving as a pretext for Endless War. It appals me that an American website frequented by academics and postgrad students has nothing whatsoever to say about Kevin Barrett's plight and still less to say about the vitally important issues he raises.
Five years after the Universal Casus Belli - and two months after Bush described the oxymoronic War on Terror as "World War III" - pleading ignorance as an excuse for fence-sitting is no longer a respectable option, least of all for professional intellectuals.
Best,
w.
Posted by: warszawa | Jul 30, 2006 1:00:30 PM
Hi Warszawa,
I didn't mean to claim any seat on the fence, at least in terms of my views. I'm not sure how to be more explicit about my not being on the fence, at least in terms of my views. I oppose Bush's wars. I oppose them even if the official story of 9/11 happens to be true. Because I oppose them even if the official story of 9/11 happens to be true, I've not bothered to pay attention to whether or not that official story is true. I have not been active in the antiwar movement for a while, since 2003 I think (this means that I could be charged with being a material fence sitter re: the war, that my opposition is only at the level of moral disapproval and so is worth precious little, which would be fair enough). I have no regular access to anything that I think is likely to sway people's minds because of things I might write. Given that all of that is the case, I haven't felt much reason to know much about or say much about the 9/11 bombings, such that I didn't know about Barrett's situation.
Now that I do, I'm still not sure what I ought to be doing with the knowledge of Barrett (I believe he's retained his job, yes?) or the information he presents about the 9/11 bombings. Do I think it's awful what's been done to him? Yes. I don't see what efficacy my thinking and saying this is awful has, however. Hence my not remarking on it previously.
If you know of or have a plan to support Barrett, that's another matter. I'm overcommitted as it is but I can always make a phone call or send an email.
Take care,
Nate
Posted by: Nate | Jul 30, 2006 6:10:43 PM
Nate, I wasn't attacking you personally, and I'm sorry if it came across that way. I am attacking this group blog for pretending to address an issue of vital importance while very carefully ignoring everything that matters about it.
Best wishes,
warszawa
Posted by: warszawa | Jul 30, 2006 7:14:09 PM
hi Warszawa,
Any mishandling is at least as much on my part. I realized midway through my last comment I was responding as if your initial comment had been prefaced with "Nate ...," which it clearly wasn't. I'm really not (quite) that narcissistic, I promise. I did want to respond, as a member of the thread in question, but didn't want to speak for anyone else here.
Take care,
Nate
Posted by: Nate | Jul 30, 2006 7:20:08 PM
Astonishing: an entire post, and an entire thread, that completely fails to address..the veracity of the Bush Gang's account of its casus belli for Endless War.
Yes, I can't believe it either. And to think, there may be others out there.
Posted by: Charles | Jul 30, 2006 9:44:35 PM
How terribly amusing, Charles. Other people are talking about the justification for World War III and the preservation of academic freedom, therefore it's fine to pretend to address that issue while very carefully talking (endlessly) past it. After all, if the Barrett case teaches us anything at all, then it's the vital importance of keeping a prudently low profile.
What next? A Long Sunday thread on the quality of the tailoring at the Nuremberg Tribunal?
Posted by: warszawa | Jul 30, 2006 10:05:55 PM
Warszawa,
I've blogged relatively extensively about what I think is behind the war etc on my own site.
I'm a teacher, an academic. So I'm interested in this side of things. I'm not ignoring the war, I'm not uninterested in what goes on behind it. And actually, I think this post does have something to say about the issues that you are worried about - the doublethink objectivity that both hamstrings the media and serves as a useful rhetoric for those who would do harm.
So... what are you doing about this issue, other than getting steamed up sitting in your pjs in front of your computer? Angry comments on theory blogs? Is that the extent of it?
Posted by: CR | Jul 30, 2006 10:13:18 PM
I've co-organised an international conference about it. Not that that fact is of any relevance whatsoever to this discussion.
"I've blogged relatively extensively about what I think is behind the war etc on my own site."
Does that mean I have to read everything you've ever written before I'm entitled to comment on the quality of this particular post and thread?
Posted by: warszawa | Jul 30, 2006 10:19:00 PM
Ah yes, warszawa, right on cue...
Speaking as an occasional commenter myself, please warszawa, if that is your only name, feel free to hang up the drum, and the goggles (goggles are sometimes good, really, but speaking for myself, after a few hours I know they tend to make me merely irritable), and stay a while this time.
In any case thank you (sincerely) for the links, as I am not familiar with the case, but from a cursory glance it looks to be an extremely complicated, noteworthy, and indeed infuriating one. Do you have a blog, I wonder, where you've addressed this important issue in more detail?
For the edification of all who may be interested in Kevin Barrett, I present another link.
Posted by: NWC | Jul 30, 2006 10:19:40 PM
NWC, it's 5:30 am here. I have been working all night and am just about to log out and crash out.
I don't have a blog of my own, but I'm one of several contributors to Qlipoth:
http://www.qlipoth.blogspot.com/
Posted by: warszawa | Jul 30, 2006 10:28:46 PM
"(By the way, the entire Catholic prophilaxis turn was my attempt at being Zizekian. He's got French/German/English toilets and pubic hair styles, I've got the rhythm method... What do you think?)"
I figure it was something like that, CR, but I felt impelled to say something...I am not sure why.
Posted by: Andrew Simone | Jul 31, 2006 11:42:17 AM
A Bérubé speaketh.
Posted by: | Aug 1, 2006 10:10:40 PM
Bérubé's article is a run-of-the-mill academic disgrace - self-regarding, point-missing, proudly ignorant and arch. Ultimately, it amounts to nothing more than a tip of the hat to his employers: "Look - I'm sound."
Meanwhile, back in the real world, where governments lie with impunity so that an endless War on Terror can be waged:
9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon
Allegations Brought to Inspectors General
By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 2, 2006
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300_pf.html
Persons desiring tenure will fail to ignore it at their peril.
Posted by: warszawa | Aug 2, 2006 9:49:52 AM
"self-regarding, point-missing, proudly ignorant and arch"
...how true, how very true.
Posted by: Charles | Aug 2, 2006 9:59:53 AM
Charles: in your case, brevity isn't the soul of wit: it's the corpse.
I see you didn't fail to ignore today's WP article. Imagine my surprise.
Posted by: warszawa | Aug 2, 2006 10:08:38 AM
Reminds me of this post from over a year ago.
Posted by: Matt | Aug 2, 2006 10:26:57 AM
http://www.shermandorn.com/mt/archives/000591.html
via 3QD
Posted by: Passivefist | Aug 10, 2006 12:43:52 AM
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