"...in times of war we revert, as a species, to the past, and are permitted to be brutal and cruel...it is sentimental to discuss the subject of war, or peace, without acknowledging that a great many people enjoy war–not only the idea of it, but the fighting itself."
"....somthing frightening, the unhealthy, feverish illicit excitement of wartime..."
-Doris Lessing
Post-oracular hypothesis: that no thinking person would honestly dispute the distinction between a free-wheeling, cultural-political, descriptive or generic or even centuries-old genetic "desire" for (what will become of the concept of) "war," and someone ignorantly wishing it to happen, or for that matter, refusing the responsibility that comes with power, and for having significantly, predictably, knowingly, and against the consensus wisdom merely prescient of the glaringly obvious, helped it to happen. The very intensity and stakes of the current 'crisis' (what makes it new–though never purely original–this time) have everything to do with a certain pressure on 'democracy,' it seems to me.
...in the necessarily finite time of politics and thus of democracy, the democracy to come certainly does not mean the right to defer, even if it be in the name of some regulative Idea, the experience or even less the injunction of democracy...The to-come of democracy is also, although without presence, the hic et nunc of urgency, of the injunctino as absolute urgency [....] the regulative Idea remains, for lack of anything better, if we can say "lack of anything better" with regard to a regulative Idea, a last resort. Although such a last resort or final recourse risks becoming an alibi, it retains a certain dignity. I cannot swear that I will not one day give in to it.
(Derrida, "The Last of the Rogue States," emphasis added)
Elsewhere NPR contributes to our symposium.


There are also partitions and identifications that democracies shape any sense of urgency around. An interesting blog (via Amie) here, and a bit more here - and I see on snippets of youtube news items that something similar is going on in Canada, in terms of identification as Canadian being the condition of empathy, action, support.
And then there's muppet affect management at the intersections between family, military and nation-state.
Posted by: s0metim3s | July 19, 2006 at 11:26 PM
electronicLeganon.net
electronicIntifada.net
Posted by: Amie | July 20, 2006 at 10:37 AM
Another interesting blog (via Sarai). A bit from one of the postings:
only a week before had we smiled upon the Lebanese passion for football during the World Cup, and the exuberant flag parade in the city of favourite teams (Italy, Brazil, Germany, you name it). We had joked how easy and playful the bearing of a flag was: if your team loses, then you just pick another. How exclusive and devoid of choice the bearing of a flag has become now: it can mean your ticket out, and your only guarantee of safety, or it means you cannot get out and are fully exposed to the spoils of war.
Posted by: s0metim3s | July 20, 2006 at 11:18 AM
lists of protests.
yalibnan.com/site/archives/2006/07/upcoming_protes.php
Posted by: Amie | July 20, 2006 at 03:23 PM
Two notes: The "desire" for catastrophe, or for apocalypse, and the "desire" for "9/11" seem like rather different things to me.
It makes sense to speak of a "desire" for "9/11" maybe most in terms of a "desire" to render something that has been true and unspoken for some time now, suddenly "plain," as in visible to all (with all the mediatization this implies); to have then a common reference for marking the way the world has been changing, epochal and paradigmatic). Since Derrida was mentioned:
Is "desire" always marked by excess? In any case, the trauma may consist in getting more than one was wishing for, so to speak:
Anyway. On another note, Charles, I think I understand what "a certain pressure" may refer to (namely, a pressure at once solely from the Muslim theocratic world (at least on the level of self-presentation), and in another register, issuing from within democracy itself)?
I realize this is just an open thread, Long Sunday style, but the potential ambiguity here, well, it wouldn't likely please the coming auditors.
Posted by: Matt | July 20, 2006 at 06:52 PM
Thank you for those links, Amie. Is the UTube video really worth signing up to see, st3s? Care to say what it's about?
Here is a fresh group of articles from OpenDemocracy, including a statement John Berger, Chomsky, Harold Pinter and Jose Saramago...
Posted by: Charles | July 20, 2006 at 07:19 PM
"The niceness of evil" indeed.
Posted by: Matt | July 20, 2006 at 08:30 PM
Charles, the vid up on youtube is a commentary on Sesame Street's involvement in massaging the message of the war. I put it up here. -- 'Daddy's got to go away and do grown up work, help some people', is what some kids are supposed to be told, and then there are others, whose parents apparently are so terrible that they use them as 'shields'.
Posted by: s0metim3s | July 20, 2006 at 11:02 PM
Michael Bérubé links to a good article, wherein:
Hm, well, not sure about that last bit. But the comments that follow are, I think, especially revealing.
Posted by: Matt | July 21, 2006 at 01:12 PM
IDF studies Deleuze & Guattari and Debord.
Posted by: Craig | July 22, 2006 at 01:12 AM
http://janedark.com/2006/07/being_rich_must_make_you_smart.html
Posted by: | July 24, 2006 at 01:03 AM
YOU CAN'T KILL A BABY TWICE
by Dahlia Ravikovitch (translated from the Hebrew
by Chana Bloch and Ariel Bloch)
By the sewage puddles of Sabra and Shatila,
there you transported human beings
in impressive quantities
from the world of the living to the world
of eternal light.
Night after night.
First they shot,
they hanged,
then they slaughtered with their knives.
Terrified women climbed up
on a ramp of earth, frantic:
"They're slaughtering us there,
in Shatila."
A thin crust of moon
over the camps.
Our soldiers lit up the place with searchlights
till it was bright as day.
"Back to the camp,
beat it!" a soldier yelled at
the screaming women from Sabra and Shatila.
He was following orders.
And the children already lying in puddles of filth,
their mouths gaping,
at peace.
No one will harm them.
You can't kill a baby twice.
And the moon grew fuller and fuller
till it became a round loaf of gold.
Our sweet soldiers
wanted nothing for themselves.
All they ever asked
was to come home
safe.
(via Shortterm memory loss)
Posted by: Amie | July 26, 2006 at 04:47 PM
http://www.remue.net/spip.php?article1728
Posted by: Amie | July 27, 2006 at 12:22 PM
In the spirit of balance, I wonder, what do people make of this quacking?
(maybe it's mean-spirited, but sometimes wonder why those guys are on your sidebar at all).
Posted by: Dick | July 27, 2006 at 12:46 PM
Billmon:
Posted by: Matt | July 28, 2006 at 07:59 PM
Indeed. A warm welcome to Billmon on the blogroll.
Posted by: | July 31, 2006 at 03:43 PM
An excellent post by Michael Bérubé, for those six or seven of you who have not seen it yet.
Posted by: Aldrich | August 01, 2006 at 11:30 AM
I thought I'd never say this, but even though it draws on the despicable "Harry's Place" to help make a few questionable distinctions (particularly wrt the word, "fascist"), this post Bérubé links to strikes me as correct.
Lenin & co's unblinking allegiance to Galloway's cheering for Hezbollah right now is...less than inspiring.
Posted by: Matt | August 01, 2006 at 12:00 PM
The SWP not being opportunistic would be the surprise.
Anyway, http://www.beirutletters.org/
Posted by: s0metim3s | August 01, 2006 at 11:43 PM
[...Letters From Beirut...from Long Sunday]
Posted by: Long Sunday | August 10, 2006 at 12:18 AM
The estimable Billmon, warmly welcomed here, has an amusing recent post where one reads that Hizbollah "probably" welcomes the deployment of the Lebanese Army in the South as a "usefull supply of fresh human shields."
Posted by: Gaston | August 17, 2006 at 11:55 AM
How Washington goaded Israel, one and two
via
Posted by: Charles | August 28, 2006 at 06:38 PM
What prevents radicals from acting strategically?
via
Posted by: | August 30, 2006 at 07:44 PM