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It is rude to wear a full-face veil at work. - By Anne Applebaum - Slate Magazine
Anne Applebaum has an interesting column in Slate. I think she's wrong, as I explain below. Here's one paragraph, but it's worth looking at the whole thing:
Link: It is rude to wear a full-face veil at work. - By Anne Applebaum - Slate Magazine.
And yet, at a much simpler level, surely it is also true that the full-face veil—the niqab, burqa, or chador—causes such deep reactions in the West not so much because of its political or religious symbolism, but because it is extremely impolite. Just as it is considered rude to enter a Balinese temple wearing shorts, so, too, is it considered rude, in a Western country, to hide one's face. We wear masks when we want to frighten, when we are in mourning, or when we want to conceal our identities. To a Western child—or even an adult—a woman clad from head to toe in black looks like a ghost. Thieves and actors hide their faces in the West; honest people look you straight in the eye.
I think Applebaum is wrong. And, I think she's wrong because her argument for rudeness relies on an analogy between tourism and citizenship.
We might structure the opposition in the following way: the tourist is not at home, but away; the tourist visits, but does not participate in a collective way of life. The tourist will leave; the citizen stays. The tourist is not one of us, and does not expect to be. Thus, the tourist adopts a practice momentarily, as a way of passing through the life of others. The citizen, on the other hand, adopts practices that are shared by those living together. These are not temporary acts of courtesy, but practices of everyday life.
Applebaum says that as a visitor, she adopted a local custom when visiting a Balinese temple. But, the woman at issue in the British case is a citizen, not a tourist. She is not visiting elsewhere. Instead, she is at home. Applebaum's argument requires that we treat the Muslim woman as a visitor, as someone from afar, who is venturing into our space.
Accordingly, Applebaum constructs our space as filled with Western practices. Apparently, ours is not a space with multiple, differentiated practices; instead, there are, at bottom, some to which all must be made to comply.
It also seems that Applebaums's version of the West is relatively unitary and unchanging, unable to encompass different perspectives and practices and always and everywhere the same. To me, this seems historically false. And, the emphasis on the face as the single element marking Western-ness seems arbitrary. If there are a variety of practices of display and concealment, practices that change over time, then covering or revealing the face should be understood within this larger field of variation.
Kids can get used to teachers in a niqab. In fact, this doesn't seem to have anything to do with the kids at all--despite the rhetoric. Instead, it involves trying to install firm markers of separation between the so-called West and Islam.
A better analogy than Applebaum's tourism might be gay teachers. The crazed right says lesbians and gay men shouldn't teach. Yet, we all know that sexual orientation has nothing to do with teaching. Neither does the niqab. To say that it does reiterates the same logic of division, a division installed to produce the pure 'us' of fantasy, employed by the religious right.
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Regarding Islamophobia, but not related to the the veil issue, two separate court cases in Canada have found significant sections of the Canadian equivalent of the PATRIOT to be unconstitutional: specifically, the definition of terrorist (won as a motion in the case involving Khawaja, the first to be arrested under our terror laws) and another regarding search & seizure and secrecy (won as a case in itself by a journalist whose home was invaded in order to find the source an information leak within the government. All the same, government and opposition alike have called for the terror legislation to be extended for another five years.
Posted by: Craig | Oct 24, 2006 7:14:04 PM
Good post.
Try as I might, I have difficulty understanding (or empathising with) the fixation - the extent to which putatively rational (or sometimes perhaps 'progressive') grounds are put forward to legitimise one's discomfort with difference, and to insist that this discomfort be socialised or generalised, let alone fixed in laws.
Wondering about this, it occurs to me that to this day I can't talk to someone while I'm wearing sunglasses. I take them off. I feel like it's impolite - even though I honestly doubt that it really is, particularly on those occasions when taking them off makes communication more difficult. I'm quite sure that this quirk is quite ingrained. But it's my ingrained quirk. And I've never assumed or felt that someone else who didn't take off their sunglasses while talking to me is being rude.
Upshot, is that I agree: it really is a question of propriety and property, and the extent to which one assumes social space - and any encounter with another - is, and occurs on, one's own property.
Posted by: s0metim3s | Oct 25, 2006 3:06:37 AM
"Kids can get used to teachers in a niqab." Well, kids can get used anything, including being caned or belted in schools. Do we have any right to insist that they get used to it? This is one of the things that distinguishes children from adults: that children have even less choice than adults in important matters that affect them directly.
I think Anne Applebaum is right. I also think that a desire to see the face of another person (especially a person you're stuck with five days a week for months or years) is not particularly 'Western' but rather a near-universal in human history. Instead of rehashing the arguments, though, I'll just point out that there have been long discussions of this issue at Chabert's blog:
http://lecolonelchabert.blogspot.com/2006/10/them-users-manual.html
and at Qlipoth:
http://qlipoth.blogspot.com/2006/10/for-sake-of-completeness.html
Posted by: warszawa | Oct 25, 2006 1:33:56 PM
Do we have any right to insist that they get used to it?
The kids you're talking about are those who don't consider it everyday already, right? And the analogy with being caned seems, well, a little hyperbolic. If I don't want to show my face to you, would you really consider this as an act of violence against you? Might not someone insisting that I show my face when I don't want to, and taking steps to make this happen, involve actual violence?
And wasn't belting children 'near-universal in human history', or something along those lines? What about anonymity on the internet - isn't that a little like not showing one's face?
Posted by: s0metim3s | Oct 25, 2006 2:06:09 PM
I'm with sometimes--for some reason, my initial response to sometimes didn't take; anyway, thanks. I like the way you include property in your point, it sharpens the discussion and presses it in a more materialist direction. The question thus becomes, whose property is it? Who are the owners presumed to be? if it is public property, then the conceit is that 'we' are the owners. If the we is diverse, then uniformity should not be expected. In fact, when it is, we should challenge it for the erasures it effects.
It might be worth responding to warsawa from a different direction: yes, 'we' have a right and responsibility to teach children about diverse ways of living in the world. We have a responsibility to get them to recognize the differences among them, among their backgrounds, the differences that constitute their histories, and the ways that these differences have been structured hierarchically.
It also seems pretty obvious that the 'desire' to see a face is not near-universal. If it were, the practice of the niqab would not be a practice--unless of course one's notion of universality is premised on the exclusion of this practice.
Posted by: Jodi | Oct 25, 2006 2:14:22 PM
There's also the incredibly long debate here, sparked by Jack Straw's recent remarks.
Posted by: s0metim3s | Oct 25, 2006 2:22:23 PM
"And the analogy with being caned seems, well, a little hyperbolic."
The analogy was with the children's lack of choice, not with the severity of the harm done to them. Clearly, caning children is a more violent act than hiding one's face from them. The fact that the former is more damaging than the latter does not imply that the latter is harmless, or that we have the right to subject choiceless others to it.
"If I don't want to show my face to you, would you really consider this as an act of violence against you?
No, because I'm not being forced into your actual physical presence (or even your virtual presence) five days a week for months or years, or indeed at all.
"Might not someone insisting that I show my face when I don't want to, and taking steps to make this happen, involve actual violence?"
Certainly. Many such hypotheticals are imaginable (and at least one woman in a burqa wasin fact subjected to such a vicious attack on a British street last week.)
But who's actually doing the insisting here? Aishah Azmi, a teaching assistant in Bradford, who is insisting on her right to see others' faces, five days a week for months or years, while they are not permitted to see hers.
"What about anonymity on the internet - isn't that a little like not showing one's face?"
Again, you're missing the point that no one on the Internet is being forced into anyone else's presence five days a week for months or years, or indeed at all.
"And wasn't belting children 'near-universal in human history', or something along those lines? "
Yes. Which demonstrates that we can't avoid making choices about what children can fairly be subjected to, for several hours a day, five days a week, for months or years.
Posted by: warszawa | Oct 25, 2006 2:28:54 PM
jodi: "It also seems pretty obvious that the 'desire' to see a face is not near-universal. If it were, the practice of the niqab would not be a practice--unless of course one's notion of universality is premised on the exclusion of this practice."
That's why I said "near-universal" and not "universal". But you elide the distinction. And by "near-universal" I meant "Practically universal, apart from this one relatively marginal strand in certain Muslim cultures." If you can give me even two or three examples of other cultures where people hid their faces from each other on a daily basis, please do so. I could easily give you a hundred examples of cultures very different from each other in which the concealment of the face would have been regarded as a threat or a discourtesy.
Posted by: warszawa | Oct 25, 2006 2:37:15 PM
w.,
The line of your argument seems a bit silly, all too ready for morphing into something like:
I strongly desire to see my teacher's breasts, therefore...
I am forced into the "actual physical" copresence with a very ugly teacher, therefore....
I desire not to see my teacher's ugly (black, female, disfigured, whatever) face...
My teacher's voice is grating; to force me to endure it abridges my freedom.
My teacher wears a billowing skirt; I am disturbed when I cannot detect bodily contour. Bring me one in pants.
Your argument depends upon the strange notion that desire to see the face of another is a uniquely legitimate desire that demands fulfillment, in a way that other similar requests simply can't be. We are forced into copresence with many people, many of whom annoy us in one way or another, but to elevate our aesthetic response to these people into a sort of right is rather ridiculous.
The student has a right to be taught, not to define the appearance of the teacher. You are contorting yourself into a ridiculously tangled pose in order to come up with a victim of this non-crime.
Posted by: CR | Oct 25, 2006 2:51:49 PM
Funny thing is: on left blogs, Bono is almost universally regarded as an asshole, for several good reasons. And one reason frequently adduced is the fact that he insists on wearing those shades all the time. It seems to annoy nearly everybody - and not just because the Shade Wearer is the pompous-ass millionaire friend of Bush and Blair, those Warriors on Poverty. But because it's deeply annoying, in and of itself.
Posted by: warszawa | Oct 25, 2006 2:52:44 PM
CR--well-said!! My response, much less astute, was going to be, and I guess, is, that the point cannot be made by an appeal to universality or near-universality if one is talking about multicultural or differentiated societies; the issue is the way that majorities interact with non-majorities; to try to make the point one of universality erases the issue.
Posted by: Jodi | Oct 25, 2006 2:54:52 PM
oh--my presponse overlapped with the compelling 'argument from Bono'...
Posted by: Jodi | Oct 25, 2006 2:56:40 PM
CR, you're the contortionist, and your "ridiculously tangled pose" has left your head in a very dark hole. There is a clear disparity of power between teachers and children, and it shouldn't be further exacerbated by allowing a teacher to see the children's faces while she insists on hiding her own. And by hiding her face from her colleagues - whose faces she insists on seeing - she also upsets a working relationship based on reciprocity and mutual respect.
Posted by: warszawa | Oct 25, 2006 3:01:07 PM
What if I said that the only think I like about Bono are his shades? Shall we then compel all elementary school teachers to wear them.
It is a near universal, I think, that sunglasses are cool, especially expensive ones. Donc...
Posted by: CR | Oct 25, 2006 3:01:22 PM
Jesus Christmas,
whose faces she insists on seeing
She does? She demands the exclusive right to wear the veil? No one else but her? I don't understand?
My students could well say that, were I to wear a suit to teach (I don't - trust me) that, because they can't afford one or are the wrong gender to wear such a suit, that I should be required to dress like them - sleepy pants, flip flops in winter, baseball hat backwards, etc...
Clearly, my fancy dressing reinforces the power disparity in my classroom, no?
Is this what you're saying? Or its just something about the veil?
Posted by: CR | Oct 25, 2006 3:04:49 PM
Children don't choose a lot of things, but I am still not sure why this specific 'absence of choice' causes such a fuss, as distinct from, say, children not choosing which subjects to study, or whether to go to school in the first place. The language of 'choice' seems to me to obscure the hierarchy of which 'absence of choice' might be deemed more upsetting than others. Though, that said, I'm not even sure why this is characterised as an issue of 'choice' (other than assuming the language of liberalism for repressive purpose) - why would anyone, child or adult, consider it a question of their 'freedom to choose' when it comes to how others dress, whether they wish to show their face, what they believe, etc?
And no, I don't think I misunderstood the analogy - I meant hyperbolic, not because of a difference of any degree, but because I don't share your assumption and suggestion that this amounts to violence, of any kind.
But who's actually doing the insisting here?
Well, the French Government, Jack Straw ... - as in, people with a good deal of power, to make laws, among other things. And you.
Posted by: s0metim3s | Oct 25, 2006 3:07:00 PM
quoting myself and continuing...
Clearly, my fancy dressing reinforces the power disparity in my classroom, no?
My fancy suit would reinforce power disparity less than the gesture of wearing a garment that in Western societies is largely viewed as a symptom of female impotence?
This just doesn't make sense, w....
Posted by: CR | Oct 25, 2006 3:07:25 PM
Nobody is compelling anybody to wear anything. One person is insisting on her right to wear something - for hours every day, five days a week, with a bunch of captive others - that gives her an unfair advantage over those others, including and especially people who have no choice whatsoever in the matter.
"It is a near universal, I think, that sunglasses are cool, especially expensive ones. "
Well, CR, I might think that makes you a really cool dude, or I might not. But I will defend your right to wear those shades in the shower, on the street, at the movies and in bed if you want, because I don't have to observe the spectacle five days a week for hours on end, or indeed at all.
Whereas.
Posted by: warszawa | Oct 25, 2006 3:12:01 PM
s0metim3s: "I don't share your assumption and suggestion that this amounts to violence, of any kind."
I never said it amounted to violence. In fact, I made a point of distinguishing it from physical violence. I said it was an extreme discourtesy towards people who are forced into her presence, for hours every day, five days a week. If you want to call it a kind of emotional violence, though, I won't disagree.
"Children don't choose a lot of things, but I am still not sure why this specific 'absence of choice' causes such a fuss, as distinct from, say, children not choosing which subjects to study, or whether to go to school in the first place."
Because that lack of choice already exists. Whereas a teacher's freedom to hide her face has not yet been established on top of all the other unfreedoms already endured by schoolchildren.
Meanwhile, CR pretends that a student's dilemma "Suit or jeans? (And can I afford a suit if I want one?)" tells us something useful about a schoolteacher's wish to wear a full-face, full-head, full-body mask while teaching choiceless children, for hours every day, five days a week for months or years.
Posted by: warszawa | Oct 25, 2006 3:24:46 PM
The thing is, this issue isn't really about 'the children' at all. The children stand-in for imaginary victims. As in all sorts of dicussions of censorship, the worry is not about children, rather, it's an effort to exert control or what other people do, read, say, how they look, etc. It's also not about a workplace with respect and reciprocity. If it were, then respect would be extended to a woman who chose the niqab--as well as to those with facial tatoos, fabulous piercings, interesting hair, those wanting to crossdress, etc.
Posted by: Jodi | Oct 25, 2006 3:33:27 PM
W, So, you won't disagree if I call it "emotional violence," but you "never said it amounted to violence" ... Anyway, I think perhaps that you did indeed suggest such a thing:
Clearly, caning children is a more violent act than hiding one's face from them
It's not really possible to have a convesation with someone, let alone argue with them, when they have no idea what they've been saying.
Posted by: s0metim3s | Oct 25, 2006 3:39:22 PM
W.,
You show me how these two things are different:
1) My teacher's veil makes me uncomfortable because she can see my face and I cannot see hers.
2) My teacher's suit makes me uncomfortable because he looks like an adult whereas I look like a child.
What is it about the veil vs. any other element that reinforces the power differential or is aesthetically (or "universally") displeasing?
Just answer this, if nothing else: You would agree, would you not, that there are a lot of practices that might have identical or similar effects? The veil isn't the only thing that would inspire the feelings that you claim for it....
If you don't answer that question, I'm afraid it will be terribly clear that you took a wrong turn in the argument and you're just shooting shit up in the air so that you don't have to admit it.
The veil is not unique, except for reasons that you refuse to discuss.
Posted by: CR | Oct 25, 2006 3:40:22 PM
"The thing is, this issue isn't really about 'the children' at all."
So you tell me. But you don't tell me what justifies your telling me so.
"The children stand-in for imaginary victims."
No, they don't. They don't stand in for anything. They are themselves, they actually exist, today, as real human beings of various genders, colours and religions (or no religion), in an impoverished town called Bradford in England. They are not imaginary; and if too many people in the academic left blogosphere had their way, then those really-existing people with their real names, wants, needs, preferences and lives might well be subjected - willingly or unwillingly - to a masked teacher for hours every day, five days a week for months or years.
Posted by: warszawa | Oct 25, 2006 3:46:29 PM
s0metim3s, I made it perfectly clear what I was saying, twice; but if you don't want to have a conversation (for whatever reason, including the paucity of your arguments) then feel free not to have it. Unlike a schoolchild, you do have a choice.
"What is it about the veil vs. any other element that reinforces the power differential or is aesthetically (or "universally") displeasing?
Just answer this, if nothing else: You would agree, would you not, that there are a lot of practices that might have identical or similar effects? The veil isn't the only thing that would inspire the feelings that you claim for it...."
I have already answered this, CR: The right to wear a suit in classrooms has already been established; the right to wear a mask hasn't, yet. And the human face has a very special place in all human cultures, without exception. And not for no reason. It is simply blatantly untrue to suggest that wearing an opaque full-face mask is in any way comparable to wearing a suit or a sari or a dress or a headscarf, of any kind.
As I said at Chabert's blog:
Personally, I think most of what goes on in schools is a waste of the children's time at best, and often positively destructive of their health, intelligence and spirit. That doesn't oblige me to nod 'tolerantly' when one adult teacher (or hundreds of adult teachers) insists on her allegedly God-given right to make even one school even slightly worse (for the children, or for her colleagues) than it is already.
http://lecolonelchabert.blogspot.com/2006/10/them-users-manual.html#comments
Posted by: warszawa | Oct 25, 2006 3:59:41 PM
The children are invoked in the debate by those who want to draw a line between the tolerable and the intolerable. These line drawers are speaking in the name of the children, positing the children they imagine as a somehow unified group victimized by a veil. To draw their lines, they have to presume that the children are harmed and the nature of this harm. The fantasy is that someone the children who would be safe, their education sound but for the teacher's veil. This is nuts.
Posted by: Jodi | Oct 25, 2006 4:08:11 PM
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