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rewriting the Introduction to Theory's Empire
The "Introduction" to Theory's Empire fails to confront its object. It is a mishmash; an intellectual muddle. It is not the best effort conceivable by a long shot. I could write a much better Introduction than they did, and I think their whole point sucks. And then some of the articles that follow!
But let's not move too quickly. Before thinking about a better version of an argument one disagrees with, a review of the Introductions mistakes.
The biggest problem is that it lacks the courage of its convictions. It doesn't go where it claims to go, which is where, according to them, no man (or woman) has gone before, namely, up against Theory. It does not confront the named phenomenon anywhere near as well as could be done. This was seen in the quotation from an earlier post:
Our book does not propose a return to an ideal past (nonexistent, in any case) of literary studies. Nor do we support a retrogressive or exclusivist view of a canon, classics, traditions, or conventions (the predictable charges hurled against critics of Theory). (p. 7)[footnote 1; see below]
Yes, well there's a reason why these charges are predictable: it's because they make up the shoe that fits on the foot that is attached to the leg that connects to the torso of critics of Theory. You aren't proposing a return to nonexistent ideal past? But the fact that there is no returning to an ideal, nonexistent past in the study of literature is one of the foundations of Theory. In fact, the authors want to have it both ways. They will grant that in the sixties and seventies "a feminist perspective became indispensable for literary scholars" (p. 7). A feminist perspective is one of the perspectives that not only undermines the possibility of a return to an ideal past, it also throws into relief the oppressive, male dominated, sexually repressed nature of this nonexistent ideal past, which, it turns out, was not so inexistent after all, given the very real oppression of women and others during it, though it certainly can't be called 'ideal.' But while granting the indispensability of this contribution to the study of literature -- a contribution that goes under the broader heading of Theory -- they at the same time attack it:
If language creates reality, then we need only change our language to bring about political change. But, obviously, the proponents of postcolonialist, feminist, and queer theorizing do not endorse such a view in practice. The contradiction should be plain to see. (4-5)
First the authors endorse on p. 7 what they condemn on pp. 4-5 (that is, feminism). But we also must add that it ill becomes someone to complain, as the authors have, about "the predictable charges hurled against critics of Theory" while shamelessly trotting out the claim that someone somewhere thinks that language can change reality in the sense of stopping an oncoming train while standing on the railroad track on which the train is hurtling, or that, godlike, someone can 'think' a political change and it is immediately realized. But language does create certain kinds of reality. This is by no means a novel insight. Postmodernism or whatever you want to call it certainly can't claim credit for first proposing this insight (though it is a key brick in its foundation). Take an example. During the 1950s and 1960s, it was common practice for men to refer to women as chicks. Young people in particular; very informal. Eddie Haskel would never say 'chick' to Mrs. Cleaver. But there it is, wide usage of the term 'chick,' and no one, including those to whom it is addressed, thinks much of it. Mere thought cannot produce, via a simple thought, an immediate physical reality. That is what gods do, what Hegel's Absolute can do, but is tired and bored of doing. No doubt, over time, and across generations, human societies create new physical realities as well. But our goal here is narrower.
A lot of young people using the word 'chick,' and a lot of young females accepting this kind of characterization. But at a certain point (the mechanics of the change don't concern us here) the word 'chick' was not one that you could indiscriminately employ. Women started to be offended by it, and to question the kind of personality and intelligence that was being implied by this word. Social acceptance for the word 'chick' declined drastically. (This process is what is known as 'political correctness.') At one point in time, fine to call young women chicks; advance on the timeline some fifteen or twenty years, no longer fine to call them that. Presto chiango! Reality has changed, and a very important and consequential slice at that.
But now look at this:
What theorists of all these persuasions have in common [the authors list them: reception aesthetics, narratology, the Frankfurt School, postcolonialism], whatever their individual differences, is a decisive turning away from literature as literature. (p. 8)
And here:
Frank Lentricchia . . . . decided to read literature as literature instead of as a vehicle for Theory. (p. 6)
The only 'ground' offered for the critique of Theory is this twice repeated phrase: "literature as literature." Literature as literature. Literature = literature. What is literature, though? Literature as
literature. But what is literature, qua literature? Doesn't this point to some kind of essence, so essence-like, that it is unable to achieve the orbit needed to escape its own essence and engage in the act of 'in-and-for-itself' reflection that would allow it to say something beyond A= A?
footnote 1: They repeat this disclaimer on p. 11: "Ours is not a 'back-to-basics' volume..." I think mentioning and then repeating this idea is a mistake. The authors have trouble finding some kind of ground, some kind of perspective, from which to make good their critique of Theory. In the name of what are the efforts typical of Theory to be delegitimated, disqualified?
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The writer who refers to "Theory" with the big T himself reifies the tradition of vague abstractions, of immaterialism, and of groundless metaphysics. Hypostasis is a sin, whether performed by marxist-continentalist-aesthetes or Cambridge platonists.
Posted by: Phritz | Oct 23, 2006 12:15:52 PM
Well, the authors of _Theory's Empire_ use the capital 'T' to make fun of theory, to pop the bubble of its putative pomposity, not to endorse it.
Vague abstractions! There can't be anything worse. You would think that of all things, abstractions wouldn't be vague. They should be the clearest things around. Like the following abstraction: 'leaf.'
Posted by: Swifty | Oct 23, 2006 12:34:46 PM
Oh and Phritz -- what do you think of the notion of "literature as literature" proposed by the authors of the intro to _Theory's Empire_? Is that a good example of a vague generalization?
Posted by: Swifty | Oct 23, 2006 12:38:16 PM
It's a good example of self-delusion, especially in the context of the academy. The injunction "literature as literature" is already "theoretical" in a rather base sense - a sense that would be generally agreed to in the academy regardless of discipline. The act of dividing these texts into "literature" and "not literature" is already a "theoretical" (that is, interpretive) and "political" (that is, a decision on boundaries and limits) act. Although I get the impression the volume is addressed not at specialists, but at the educated lay-public. Possibly those who had to read Althusser's "Ideology and the Ideological State Apparatus" in a third year literature class and couldn't figure out why.
Personally, I'm waiting for the companion volume, "Theory's Multitude."
Posted by: Craig | Oct 23, 2006 1:03:42 PM
"the authors of _Theory's Empire_ use the capital 'T' to make fun of theory, to pop the bubble of its putative pomposity, not to endorse it."
That's not a bad move, but even the anti-Theory aesthete--la gauche ou la droite--generally affirms some timeless, classic status for literary products--you see that process in effect on the Lit. blogs, such as the Valve or Berube. Yes, the cynics and wags may mock the classics for phunn, but like a seminarian who at one point makes fun of fundamentalists or conservatives, wag eventually returns to defending the tradition, Screepture, the canon.
My own feeling is that the authentic progressive--or even old-school Trotskyite--retains a certain ideological opposition to the realm of belle-lettres and to bureaucratic prose of all types. The play Hamlet functions about like the Bible or Koran does; but then so does Marx's writing or that of most filosophes du jour. One hates to refer to it as dogma, but there are people lower in the Malebolge than Karl Popper.
Posted by: Phritz | Oct 23, 2006 2:39:45 PM
Yes, I agree with Craig that the "literature as literature" is *already* theoretical, for the clear reason that it must be saying something *is not* literature.
Thanks to Phritz for introducing me to a new idea -- Malebolge from Dante. I admit it: I didn't know what that meant until I looked it up, which also means I admit it: I haven't read Dante.
Phritz seems right to me when he says that the anti-Theory crowd affirm a vague essentialism concerning the classics. There is, indeed, something essential about them, only in the sense that they 'write us', if I may put it pompously like that. Augustine's _City of God_, read probably by fewer people than have read Dante (which makes me, personally, feel better), reflects, performs, reinforces the dualistic, two-world thinking of the West.
In general, I wonder what everyone -- all three of us -- thinks of the distortion in the history of ideas introduced by the excessive focus on 'authors.' As if authors come up with ideas, rather than ideas finding authors and working through them. Because if I said to Phritz that there's a current of thought that denies the essentialism of Western classics, refuses and critiques the hypostasisization of truth, while still, of course, working through those classics as 'essential' in the other sense of the word, as 'important,' would he perhaps not be interested? But then if I said it's Derrida who does this . . . he would consign me to Malebolge, no?
Posted by: Swifty | Oct 23, 2006 4:14:37 PM
Further, beyond the politico-theoretical distinction between "literature" and "non-literature," it presupposes a theory of reading literature such that this form of reading can only be applied to literature as such. That is, a literary way of reading literary texts and the means of selecting literary texts in the universe of texts.
Posted by: Craig | Oct 23, 2006 4:25:56 PM
The tedium, it is endless! To wit:
That's not a bad move, but even the anti-Theory aesthete--la gauche ou la droite--generally affirms some timeless, classic status for literary products--you see that process in effect on the Lit. blogs, such as the Valve or Berube.
Here, see, the Troll of Sorrow says anti-Theory folks are canonists, but normally he attacks them for reading comic books. (He also references Dante, because as we all know, the Commedia isn't canonical.)
Now, onto boring non-hypocritical material.
Craig:
The injunction "literature as literature" is already "theoretical" in a rather base sense - a sense that would be generally agreed to in the academy regardless of discipline.
Scour every English department in North America and you'll find few non-octogenarians who defend Wilde's dictum. The closest you'll find are people like CR who value the literary for how it defies the attempt at easy compartmentalization; but that's not who you're shadow-boxing here.
That said, the close-reading skills CR values aren't infolded, pedagogically, under the rubric of theory. There is, therefore, something to the complaint that literature students are being taught what's in jambalaya without learning how to cook it. I'd agree with that: learning to read theory and find its concepts in a literary work isn't the same thing as learning to define what's literary about a literary work. The latter should precede the former, but oftentimes it doesn't.
Another way to say this is that when these conversations move outside the discipline, there's a real disconnect: people who've acquired close-reading skills by the rigorous study of philosophical materials look at the course descriptions of a theory course and say "I don't see why students can't learn close-reading from that." Thing is, they're not taught how to read theory the way one's taught how to read philosophy.
Personally, I'm waiting for the companion volume, "Theory's Multitude."
It's called The Norton Anthology of Theory of Criticism, and it's a damn fine book. Useful, too. Of course, its introduction is equally silly ... which makes one wonder whether introductions are about as substantial as your average manifesto. Well, makes me wonder, at least.
Further, beyond the politico-theoretical distinction between "literature" and "non-literature," it presupposes a theory of reading literature such that this form of reading can only be applied to literature as such. That is, a literary way of reading literary texts and the means of selecting literary texts in the universe of texts.
This, then, is the most interesting thing in either of these posts or threads. I'd sound off and say, Yes, there is a particular way of approaching a literary text, and Yes, it's different from how one would (or should) approach a philosophical one. As for the distinction between what counts as literature and what doesn't, well, that's why the Culture Wars happened, and why the cease fire hardly ceases the fire. It's a vexed issue, one of supreme importance to literature as a discipline, and one not likely to be solved anytime soon. All sorts of things involved, including but not limited to the definition of the literary, what to do when it appears in works which neither are nor want to be considered literature, &c. Very complicated issues, those are.
Swifty:
Phritz seems right to me when he says that the anti-Theory crowd affirm a vague essentialism concerning the classics.
Who, exactly, belongs to the "anti-Theory crowd"? I mean, as long as we're criticizing vague abstractions ...
Posted by: Scott Eric Kaufman | Oct 23, 2006 6:03:07 PM
SEK: "Of course, its introduction is equally silly ... which makes one wonder whether introductions are about as substantial as your average manifesto."
See my mocking - posted just this afternoon - of Jeff Alexander's introduction to Durkheimian Sociology: Cultural Studies. Introductions pushing an agenda certainly are 'about as substantial as your average manifesto' (didn't the great liberal vanguard post a manifesto this week?).
"This, then, is the most interesting thing in either of these posts or threads. I'd sound off and say, Yes, there is a particular way of approaching a literary text, and Yes, it's different from how one would (or should) approach a philosophical one. As for the distinction between what counts as literature and what doesn't, well, that's why the Culture Wars happened, and why the cease fire hardly ceases the fire."
We then have a problem on the "Theory's Empire" side: they want to resolve a theoretical and political dispute through an appeal to common sense. Of course "everyone" "knows" what "literature" is (they, presumably, were taught it in high school, right?).
My question - skipping the more interesting problem they are stuck with - is what do they write about when writing about "literature as literature"? Doesn't it, even more so than with "Theory," become "my favourite book studies" or "my favourite author studies"? If the interest in "literature" is neither "Theory-etical" or "political," what is it?
Posted by: Craig | Oct 23, 2006 6:20:20 PM
Yikes! The poodle bites; the poodle chews it
Posted by: Phritz | Oct 23, 2006 6:56:15 PM
Scott! I've been talking about _Theory's Empire_ for days. Please.
Posted by: Swifty | Oct 23, 2006 7:10:13 PM
The poodle joke! Dude, that never gets old.
We then have a problem on the "Theory's Empire" side: they want to resolve a theoretical and political dispute through an appeal to common sense.
I don't think they seriously appeal to common sense, but to a contested category which--contestations aside--is considered distinct from the theoretical and political issues you raise. Check out, for example, the essays in Revenge of the Aesthetic: The Place of Literature in Theory Today. The contributors don't presuppose that a category of the literary exists so much as identify characteristics of what one would call literary. Sure, Derrida threatens to turn all philosophy into literature, but other contributors play less predictable games--ones which, I'd argue, attempt to establish the literary as a set of textual features which demand a specific analytic. To say that is not to say that treating "literature as literature" excludes other means of analysis, but that to treat literature as if it weren't literature vitiates the object of analysis of its characterizing features. These prominent debates probably ran through the back of the editors' minds as they cowrote the introduction. If they didn't, well then, they're throwbacks whose positions aren't representative of the ones held by the authors collected in their anthology.
I'm not going to run through the history of literary aesthetics here, but you can, I assume, see the difference. Now, this isn't to defend the introduction to Theory's Empire. Not only is it an introduction, it's a particularly poor example of the genre.* I know Swifty's itching for some hits, but as I said a few days back, if that's the case, he may want to swing at something someone's willing to defend.
*Clark's introduction to Revenge of the Aesthetic, however, I could muster one for.
Posted by: Scott Eric Kaufman | Oct 23, 2006 7:34:30 PM
Dude, no one gives a F. about what you have to say.
Literary businessmen, if they had their way, would replace accounts of WWI with Ulysses or the Wasteland, William Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (a popular work, but it will suffice for illustrative purposes) with any number of works of fiction, objective analyses of the Depression with Dreiser, etc.; the science of Einstein with science-fiction. The lit. biz has, over the last 50 years, indeed mostly succeeded in replacing fact with fiction, however trite that sounds. Most American lit. consumers are more interested in the Wasteland and Bloomsbury melodrama than in WWI battles; they may quote Chekov or Dostoyevsky ad nauseum without ever discussing russian history or the Bolsheviks, and generally know far more about Shakespeare than about Tudorian history, and may quote scenes verbatim from Moby Dreck and not recall one civil war engagement or major figure. And the lightweight "historicism" of a few Lit. snobs barely begins to address the effects of literary deception.
Posted by: Phritz | Oct 23, 2006 7:57:11 PM
Dude, no one gives a F. about what you have to say.
And they all wait with baited breath for the Troll of Sorrow's most recent iteration of the same. Dude, I mean, dude.
Literary businessmen, if they had their way, would replace accounts of WWI with Ulysses or the Wasteland, William Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (a popular work, but it will suffice for illustrative purposes) with any number of works of fiction, objective analyses of the Depression with Dreiser, etc.; the science of Einstein with science-fiction.
Dude, proof? Because that makes it sound like you have no idea what you're talking about it. Wait a minute—You don't!
How you're able to convince people otherwise, dude, boggles the mind.
Posted by: Scott Eric Kaufman | Oct 23, 2006 8:30:16 PM
Dude, you teach fiction. Fiction is not truth. Thus you teach, and probably receive taxpayers' funds for, teaching lies. No one is obligated to take the Great Mahsterpieces of lit--whether realism, or not--for truth or beauty.
I realize that's a hard one for you to grasp, dude. You're not a scientist. You're not a philosopher. You're not even a historian--though you often seem to pretend you are. You're a fraud, however glib.
Posted by: Phritz | Oct 23, 2006 8:42:24 PM
I said proof, not insults. Seeing how you can't provide the former, I understand why you resort to the latter.
Posted by: Scott Eric Kaufman | Oct 23, 2006 9:31:37 PM
Literary proclamations are neither analytic nor synthetic; a novelist might suggest something sort of synthetic-like in regards to human psychology--Crane, in Red Badge of Courage seems to imply that honor and other stoical "virtues" [whatever those are] are sort of bogus or false--but literary themes or motifs or "morals" are hardly arguments or fact-based claims. A novel is closer, ontologically, to say a symphony than to a case study or data of whatever sort.
Aesthetic/critical claims are hardly necessary either; Red Badge may seem superior to a story in Reader's Digest, and many people (including myself) would probably agree that it is superior, but few if any could prove it. But the point on literary essentialism and dogma was not merely a reiteration of "De Gustibus non disputum est": it's more about how the literatteur's word-symphonies seem to assume a power equal to or in many cases quite more significant than fact-based discourses--whether historical, or political, or scientific.
The question of literary Praxis--whether a novel or play or poem serves to advance a particular ideology, progressive or not--is generally not addressed either. Though most in the lit. business seem to assume many literary works somehow teach or reinforce values or lessons or wisdom of some sort, that rarely if ever is proven, if even touched upon. Most lit. pros would probably grant that the "lesson" or meaning of the play Macbeth is not univocal ("ambition and heroic pride leads to downfall" is hardly necessary), and that any implied lesson comprises only part of the aesthetic enjoyment to be derived from lit. anyway; but the aesthetic enjoyment often is taken to be objective as well, when that is hardly the case, any more than the enjoyment of a Schoenberg's music is a given.
Posted by: Phritz | Oct 23, 2006 10:14:39 PM
Perhaps someone could write a series of posts in which the word "religion" is used to which someone like Rich will say, "religion is poo," and then someone like Adam will say, "religion is not an admissable category of analysis." Then someone like Holbo could make a "joke" to the effect of "that's a great argument, Adam." It might even result in someone named either "Stanley Fish" or "Richard Dawkins" or - heaven forbid - "Daniel C. Dennett" making reference to an obscure essay at an obscure website. And then someone resembling Scott could take some frames from "Say Anything" and compare the "sport of the future" to theology.
Just saying.
Posted by: Craig | Oct 23, 2006 10:17:47 PM
Yes, I think I understand, along with Scott, what can be meant by "literature as literature" - but it's doubly-inflected, and that's the problem. Refocusing attention on what goes into making a literary work, form, technique, the way the texts handle their own strangeness as verbal objects, that sort of thing is one side of it, and one that, of late, is falling out of literary study as currently practiced by many "professionals," whether of a theoretical or historicist bent. The other inflection, of course, is as tautological as it sounds: to study literature against theoretical interests, with blinders to or even in knownothing opposition to the theoretical issues.
The theorists that I find most useful, the ones that factor in my own work, and those that I assign in my grad seminars, are the ones invested in the question of the literary as such, and corresponding questions of literary form and its relationship to the world beyond literature. The russian formalists, Benjamin and Adorno, Barthes, Jameson, etc...
All simply trying to say that there is a way to say "literature as literature" that is not simply empty tautology nor is it (I hope, at least) easy reaction... But no, the Theory's Empire folk, in the intro, are using it in the bad way...
But of course, the real question is why "literature as literature" remains of interest, even for those who would like their work to serve a political purpose. The short answer, for me, is that we live in a world that for several hundred years, but more intensely of late, has been stuck on the path of rationalization and efficiency. (OK - not so much, say, the Bush adminstration's foreign policy, but take a long view...) I'm all for it, of course, but only to a point. The border line between what we'd like to preserve / what we're better off leaving behind shows up particularly vividly in the creation and discussion of literary works over the years. Modernism, in particular, takes this question particularly seriously.
Anyway, that is what I teach toward, that question, and it is what animates my written work.
Posted by: CR | Oct 23, 2006 10:32:44 PM
I would so like to gain knowledge about where the divide is and what the stakes are. But I am willing to accept and move on from the following: a couple of posters above have granted that maybe the intro to _Theory's Empire_ is not the best.
But without trying further to criticize anyone, how could it have been written so as to advance the discussion? Introductions are tough, true, but sometimes I read introductions that help me so much I almost prefer them to the thing being introduced. Notice how bands frequently front a fairly weak band to come on first? A few of Thomas McCarthy's introductions to Habermas are gems. So, how could the intro to Theory's Empire been written, such that readers prefer or gain more from it than the articles that follow?
Posted by: Swifty | Oct 23, 2006 11:08:59 PM
Troll of Sorrow:
A novel is closer, ontologically, to say a symphony than to a case study or data of whatever sort.
So your claim, then, would be that a novel in no way, shape or form tells us anything about a particular historical moment? Nothing about the central concerns, the attitudes towards them, or the responses to them?
...literary themes or motifs or "morals" are hardly arguments or fact-based claims.
Who claims that they are? Or is it your opinion that, say, what we know about the American reaction to the Spanish-American War is wholly and completely contained in official governnment documents and yellow journalistic editorials? Would you say, then, that there is zero value in examining treatises about it, whatever form they take?
It's more about how the literatteur's word-symphonies seem to assume a power equal to or in many cases quite more significant than fact-based discourses--whether historical, or political, or scientific.
Again, provide some proof that the "literatteur" opposes aesthetic appreciation to fact-based discourse. Or, are you not talking about literary scholars but literary theorists. I know you're a fan of distinction, so you may want to indulge and make a few yourself. Otherwise, this quasi-coherent response is little more than the typical Troll of Sorrow fartschrift.
The question of literary Praxis--whether a novel or play or poem serves to advance a particular ideology, progressive or not--is generally not addressed either.
What? I mean, seriously, What? Have you read anything published between 1975 and 1999?
Similarly:
the aesthetic enjoyment often is taken to be objective as well, when that is hardly the case, any more than the enjoyment of a Schoenberg's music is a given.
What? Did you sleep through the Culture Wars? Moments like these I realize how little you actually know about the objects vituperate.
Craig:
Just saying...
...nothing, but bitterly, and in such a way as to lend credence to the theory that you lack a sense of humor.
Just saying.
Swifty:
But without trying further to criticize anyone, how could it have been written so as to advance the discussion?
I'd start with the introduction to Clark's book. Clark lacks Patai et. al.'s hostility to theory, but the narrative of the profession's evolution dovetails with the one you get in Theory's Empire. Start there; or with the final chapter of Gerald Graff's Professing Literature; or the first chapter of John Guillory's Cultural Capital. All are far better introductions to the current state of and debate about theory in literature departments.
Posted by: Scott Eric Kaufman | Oct 24, 2006 4:35:37 PM
"is it your opinion that, say, what we know about the American reaction to the Spanish-American War is wholly and completely contained in official governnment documents and yellow journalistic editorials?"
Is the historical record defined by either official govt. documents or yellow journalistic editorials? No--that's another of your bogus distinctions. There could be many other non-fictional documents relevant to the SA War, including the writing of academic historians. But a fictional account--say an O'Henry's literary account of the war or some fictional characters' relation to the war-- would not be an objective source. It might have some bearing, but it would hardly be a primary source.
The point wasn't that literature has no relation to historical record; but about how literature (and movies, TV shows--even comic strips--say Sgt. Rock or Peanuts) serves as an ersatz replacement for the history. Most Americans--whether college educated or not-- have far more acquaintance with subjective, non-factual, aesthetic writings such as the Wasteland or Ulysses (and many other literary works) than they do with the specifics of WWI, and other historical events of the last 100-200 years. That is a bit of a generalization, but the point could nost likely be established with some legwork. Humans know more about the imagined literary constructs--Steven Daedalus, Bloom, etc--than they do about the Somme or Verdun, or Joffrey, The Kaiser and all the minute details of WWI--and yet those details of WWI are, for one, real (or at least assertions whose claim to truth might be decided upon), whereas the constructs are really not different than the figures of Greek myths, or any ancient legends. The fartschrift is the latest article by some lit. huckster "arguing" for whatever critical BS is in fashion, and applying it to any lit. text he happens to be captivated with that week.
"the real question is why "literature as literature" remains of interest, even for those who would like their work to serve a political purpose."
The thread began by at least implicitly questioning whether literature does serve a political purpose and how that could be ascertained. Of course, the lit. person assumes that lit. does, somehow, function politically (and objectively) but that assumption is never established. Even the effects brought about by reading an overtly political book --say 1984--are hardly measurable in any sort of quantitative fashion. The professional literatteur generally dismisses those sorts of pedagogical objections to literature with a few waves of his hands--philistine! IN other words, he wants to at once say, some novels teach important political insights; but if somebody in the educational department says, "how do we establish that political efficacy, much less some objective meaning to fictional works?" the lit. person shrieks, "philistine"! (or positivist or fabian, etc.). The real question is whether Shakespeare and Co. even belong in the curriculum of public education: and those writers and scholars--even "marxists"--who do value proof and fact-based research should concede that the Bard should have been retired years ago, along with many other ancien regime texts, whether religious or secular.
Posted by: Phritz | Oct 24, 2006 5:32:53 PM
Scott, I didn't know there was such a theory. As it were, I think of my "style" somewhat more subtle and absurd than your own, as it were. This, obviously, isn't meant as an insult. Sometimes funny is Tracey Morgan running down the street in tighty-whities yelling, "I am a jedi!" And, other times, it is the tone of Christopher Walkens' voice or Jason Lee's eyebrows. And, of course, sometimes it is Dwight Schrute saying, "It was my grandfather's. He was buried in it."
Posted by: Craig | Oct 24, 2006 7:08:54 PM
Geez, Scott: entering into a thread which before that consisted of two people in deep discussion with the ToS? It would have stood as a perfect monument if you hadn't gone and interfered. Are you being one of those volunteer firemen who looks at a trash fire about to burn out, gets bored with having nothing to do but read horrible turn-of-the-century novels, and instead tosses on some gasoline?
Posted by: Rich Puchalsky | Monday, 23 October 2006 at 05:34 PM
I know, I know. Thing is, I had my parents in town this weekend, so I had to devote what little spare time I had to dissertating. By the time I wanted to unwind, defacing monuments was the best I could manage.
Posted by: Scott Eric Kaufman | Tuesday, 24 October 2006 at 01:37 PM
Posted by: | Oct 25, 2006 1:02:25 AM
Funny, when I think of the lame stalinist-hypocrite twaddle that Putalsky and his dyslexic monkey SEK routinely emit, trash comes to mind: like a large dump full of wannabe Joan Didionesque prose imprinted on toilet paper.
Posted by: | Oct 25, 2006 1:23:32 AM
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