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old

Wow. Right on target (and one of the targets is many of us).

Gabriel Sanchez

Neither Egoism nor Altruism is a natural urge; They in fact arise in relation to each other and neither would be conceivable without the market.

This is an interesting proposition to be sure, but where’s the proof? Casually pointing to “the ancient world” absent contextual analysis and, more importantly, a thoroughgoing exploration of how those people viewed both the rise of markets and the rise of the religious traditions the author seems to believe they are associated with. Otherwise, what you have here is merely a forced correlation divorced from the reality of the actors who (allegedly) brought these institutions into play. These sorts of flippant statements are eye candy for the choir, but they hardly dislodge—to steal a bit from the modern parlance—“competing narratives” of how history has unfolded in the last two millennia.

The political right has always tried to enhance the division and thus claims to be the champion of both egoism and altruism simultaneously. The Left has tried to efface it.

This proposition is no doubt easier to prove than a sweeping transhistorical claim, but it still suffers from the fact that it doesn’t want to press the analysis beyond the point of a casual observation. Also, one can certainly agree that the Republican Party has created divisions without submitting themselves to a rosey eyed view of the political Left. After all, the Left’s vision of effacing the division comes at the cost of the “values” that those who tend to gravitate rightward esposue. As hard as it may be for someone on the Left to believe, “values” are not supposed to be empty vessels into which a group pours in their subjective wants and fancies. Some are supposed to be weighted over others and, on a similar note, some are seen as objectively real as opposed to whimsical. But even this line of analysis has problems insofar as “values” implies a market-based system of right where certain preferences can be weighted against others, and like most things in the market, lose or gain worth with the flow of time. But it’s difficult to say whether or not those who espouse “values”, i.e., traditional morality rooted in The Bible, see it that way. Perhaps one could argue they lack the conceptual language to wrest their moral faith free from the venacular of relativism (which is where the “values” language comes from), but at the end of the day I would imagine that most faithful believe in the absoluteness of the claims they (try to) defend (e.g., abortion is murder, homosexuality is a perversion, prayer is good, etc.). If the Left was honestly trying to eliminate the divisions, they would have to do the one thing their program renders them incapable of doing: take Biblical faith and morality seriously and not replace it with a new set of “values” that fits comfortably with their social engineering.

The Real problem of the American left is that although it does try in certain ways to efface the division between egoism and altruism, value and values, it largely does so for its own children. This has allowed the Right, paradoxically, to represent itself as the champion of the working class.

This is also intriguing but for the fact that the Right being the “champion of the working class” seems to have more to do with the working class’s Biblical morality more than their market interest. The observations about the restructuring of higher education seem to be spot on, though with regards to the Nebraska farmer example, it seems doubtful that his “values” would put any positive weight on his son becoming an international human rights lawyer or a drama critic. Those pursuits are probably not seen as very worthwhile based on the “values” of the farmer and his family. In fact, those pursuits—especially the human rights lawyer—are probably not valuable to anyone except those reared on the “values” of the Left. After all, international human rights requires one to believe in at least the following: state sovereignty and nationalism are outmoded concepts, human rights are more important than human security, rights are determined not by any “Laws of Nature or Nature’s God” but by man, homosexuality is a human right, abortion is a human right, etc. It shouldn’t sound strange that any number of these propositions are at odds with the American working class and its “values”, especially as those “values” are rooted in Biblical morality. The economic consideration is secondary to the abhorrence one who takes those “values” seriously would (ought to?) have in the face of that line of work.

pebird

Identity politics (as opposed to populist politics) has played a signficant role in establishing a common perception of a narcissistic, egoist left.

To be fair, identity politics practice is distored by media while also used by estabished liberal institutions (e.g., Democratic Party) as a way to respond to issues without addressing them, providing "psychological" comfort instead of political power.

For those either outside of identity categories, or those with populist leanings (e.g., working class), the "left" then is not a space where those concerns can even be raised, much less deal with.

Other observations:

Proposition I:

Whether egoism or altruism are 'natural' urges is irrelevant - these behaviors exist and shift in both individuals and societies. I don't understand why this opposition - self vs. social make more sense.

Proposition II:

This implications of this argument is clearer to me when I use self/social - the right unleashes the self (while restricting parts of the social), then uses a perverse form of the social (authority) to "fix" the problems the unleashed self created.

I do like the way that Ego/Altruism corresponds to value/values, that's good.

Proposition III:

Rather than "own children", I would say "own tribe". Which of course plays into the right's view of the left as only out for itself without the country's interest at heart.

The implication that the working class resents the left's non-paying university interships is a ridiculous proposition with the ring of truth. Certainly the UC Bakke case in the 70's (white guy not admitted to med school) was the harbinger of working class mobility restriction. These bitter feelings are more generalized toward the "left's" groupings, their tribes, then any particular manifestation. But the point is well-taken.

HighLow Between

Great posting - lots to think on. I referenced you heavily - and Graeber on a recent post.
http://highlowbetween.blogspot.com/2006/12/skid-marks-heres-to-hoping-in-new-year.html
Thanks!

troutsky

It's been my belief that working class conservatism and the values associated with that position is derived less from biblical text than from an instinctual traditionalism which needs grounding in a tangible spiritual and material terrain.Patriotism, faith, rewarding hard work etc are all deeply rooted,traditional concepts challenged by modern attitudes and intellectuals are the "messengers" of this modernity.Kill the messenger is the new ethos.The death of unionism and the advent of the "ownership society" have decimated any class conciousness that workers had.

Gabriel Sanchez

Troutsky,

I think you're skipping a step. Actually, I think a lot of what passes for "theory" today skips a lot of steps.

You mention "instinctual traditionalism", which may exist, but that still doesn't answer the question, "What tradition?" I don't recall any society in history upholding tradition absent context and/or grounding. Anthropological criticisms may argue all the day long that religion is just a vehicle to transmit and ground a society's norms and laws (i.e., their tradition), but even so, it's still the religion that needs to be examined then. Whatever the "true" source of those norms and laws were has been "lost in the sauce" of history; the experiences of those now living and the source of their "values" is what's ultimately relevant.

All of the concepts you listed are concepts that Christianity or, rather, Protestant Christianity, can and has readily supported. People don't hold to them "just because." As fond as social scientists are of positing the mindless, unwashed human being who helps make up "the masses", I have yet to meet such a person so radically divorced from his experiences that his entire array of opinions and beliefs float freely in his mind. I have no doubt such constructions are easy to mold and manipulate to fit in with grand theories of social engineering, but their touch with reality is, to put it mildly, off.

John Emerson

I can't comment in detail right now. Two points: Graeber's analysis of the Republicans is pretty limited, leaving out country-club Republicans (including scam artists and semi-criminal entrepreneurs) as well as militarists.

The problem with education or social mobility as the solution for inequality is that there always will be someone driving trucks and so on. Democratic egalitarianism leaves them behind personally to the extent that it's education-oriented, though it can help their children.

More broadly, Democrats often seem to be people who have some kind of credentials or institutional connection, whereas small businessmen, poor small-town people, and some workers (especially un-unionized ones) feel left out.

At the same time, working-class Republicans are not typical -- they're a wedge factor weakening Democrats. And some conservative Christians are very prosperous. But often they feel that they missed out on education, even if they are educated, because their education was all technical and business-oriented.

In Minnesota the most conservative Republicans seem to come from prosperous exurban districts. The three most rural districts are represented by Democrats, one of them quite liberal. To a degree, however, Minnesota is atypical.

Matt

Thank you for posting this, Alain.

The comments about an effective "settlement" being offered to radicals in the seventies are especially accurate as historical diagnosis. Only it was not just radicals, I would argue, but an entire mainstream emancipatory ideal. Most unfortunate is how this stalling in the emancipatory project has given birth to so many spurious calls for blame, so much wasteful chattering and bickering and so on, as we try to justify it, and our position in it, to ourselves. We should be ashamed, but after Reagan where the real blame lies is fairly damn well obvious.

Not to sound too pretentious, hopefully, but do you ever wonder, Sanchez, how the "values" of the Nebraska farmer might evolve and expand in a system of true economic mobility? That is to say, how the clinging to "values" in hard times would begin to relax? Furthermore, how certain founding fears, left-over provincialisms, literal security blankets, etc. might eventually dissipate?

If the Left was honestly trying to eliminate the divisions, they would have to do the one thing their program renders them incapable of doing: take Biblical faith and morality seriously and not replace it with a new set of “values” that fits comfortably with their social engineering.

Hm. Curious how "social engineering" replaces "thinking" here. The standard reply: if only unthinking Christians were to take these things half as seriously as they deserve to be taken, there would be plenty room for dialogue.

An intriguing phrase, "eye candy for the choir" – although, it's unclear what Ted Haggard has to do with all of this.

Sean McCallahan

Many leftists--academic, or not-- tend to favor or promote altruism (or worse, some type of spiritual/psychological "movement" instead of political strategies), and it could be argued that altruism-fetish is one of the perennial obstacles to economic and political reform. Hobbes was unwilling to grant that any effective political actions could be based on altruism or compassion; and his contractualism (which is more socialistic than most in Lit. land realize) is premised on enlightened self-interest, however bor-ring that might be to postmods. Alternatives to politics via self-interest seem to diverge into left and right versions of Hegelian-statist day-mares.

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