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Are we who you say we are?

(Another shameless cross-posting from I Cite.)

Lots of different kinds of remarks don't travel; they don't circulate seamlessly from one context to another. Instead, their travels are stained with a kind of remnant or remainder. It may well be that this stain or remainder is central to their use; awareness of the stain, an irrational nugget, marks one as an appropriate user of the term. Often, becoming aware is difficult, painful; perhaps that it why it marks membership and appropriate use.

Several years ago my father gave Paul a 'personal groomer' for Christmas (read nosehair clipper, sideburn trimmer, multi-purpose hair removal apparatus for men). Because this was so traumatic, I frequently mentioned it, making fun of the gift. Yet, I was furious when I heard Paul and his sister joking about the groomer. They were making fun of my father, my family, and, by extension, me.

In the culture wars, the Right loves to trash feminists and feminism. They hate feminists in the academy, women's studies, the teaching of feminist theory. So, they bash feminism. Feminists respond in 2 ways: one, by circling the wagons and bashing the Right; two, by pointing out that there are multiple, differentiated feminisms. In fact, more important to most feminists than the stupidities of the Right are our own internal debates and disagreements. These are the discussions that matter (to us). I team teach with a gender constructivist who thinks that all differences between men and women are socially constructed. As a Lacanian, I view this slightly differently: sexual difference is real and the multiple expressions of gender are responses to this fundamental gap or antagonism.

In fact, I don't think that one can find a noncontroversial definition of feminism that would enable the term to function as a coherent object to criticize or attack. A bumper sticker version is something like feminism is the view that women are people, too. Anti-humanist or radical environmental feminists would challenge this definition because of the primacy of the human; they would argue that this very primacy is what feminism has to challenge. The same holds with respect to a claim like feminists think that human rights are women's rights. Many of us reject the discourse of rights and see feminism as providing a vital standpoint from which to reject rights talk.

The same holds when one talks about political theory. In American political science, theorists are a separate subfield and generally treated as separate by the rest of the disciple. We are sometimes considered a field among ourselves, perhaps because we read Aristotle and Hobbes while the others think that politics can be a science and try to find formal models that do something besides stating the obvious. Yet, political theorists disagree among ourselves. A big division is between those who do a kind of analytic political theory--or who are still oriented toward Rawls--and those who do continental. Yet, among continental theorists there are also huge debates and disagreements. The Habermasians don't read Deleuze or Zizek (not to mention Ranciere, Laclau, Agamben, or Badiou). And, while I'm on a journal with a bunch of Deleuzians, they are generally non-sympathetic to Zizek (they think he is not immanent enough and that the notion of the lack is both dangerous and wrong).

Can it mean anything, then, to reject or criticize political theory as a whole? If one is a formal modeller, yes. One is saying that only with formal methods can anything significant be said about politics. But, this is not a critique. It is simply a rejection. I don't critique formal modelling in my work. I simply reject it. I find it uninteresting and irrelevant. (I'll add that I do think there is an important role for a lot of empirical political science although I don't do that.)

Ray Davies makes an interesting point in a thread over at faucets and pipes:

Words aren’t solid tokens which can be extracted from one game and used in a different game while meaning the same thing. Precise definitions are important when rationally arguing against a supposedly rational argument, but can be toxic to community formation, as I’ve personally seen in attempts to establish the boundaries of “science fiction” or “poetry”. A social term is, finally, defined socially, and, in healthily varied communities, allows for unpredictable outliers.

I agree. Terms are markers of discursive communities.

So, can one criticize an entire discursive community by invoking one of their terms? Yes, if one is rejecting the community per se. Here one would be making an institutional argument, that is, an argument about the group existing as a group. But one would not be addressing any of the discursive content through which the group is constituted. Why--because it is precisely the contestation over the content that designates membership in the group. (This is why I never take a stand on alien abduction or 9/11 truth; that would constitute me as a member of the group/discursive community I'm trying to understand.)

The slight of hand comes in with the shift involved in using terms with currency within the group in a different setting, for a different purpose, while denying that difference in setting and purpose. So, feminists tell the Right in the culture wars that they don't know what they are talking about since feminists disagree. Political theorists tell political scientists that most of them don't know what they are talking about since political theorists disagree. Deleuzians tell Zizekians that Zizek gets Deleuze wrong and Zizekians tell Deleuzians that they don't know what they are talking about since they don't read more than one or two things by Zizek. Finally, Zizek readers argue with each other about how to read and interpret. These are real disagreements and debates. The critic who comes in, using a term with currency within a community to dismiss that community erases the disagreements and debates constitutive of that community. Differently put, the critic fails to acknowledge the way communities form along antagonisms.

Are broad disagreements and debates possible? That is, can there be a discussion on a large scale that isn't nonsensical? Perhaps. In the same thread, John Emerson introduces a valuable typology in determining groups or discursive communities:

1. A group of people who talk mostly to each other. 2. Generally agreed-upon and
practiced criteria for how discourse should be conducted. 3. A set of canonical books or other writings honored by the community.

It seems to me that #2 is central to answering the question. Without agreed-upon and practiced criteria, a discussion isn't  possible. #1 changes: national meetings, journals, small meetings, the folks one asks to read drafts, that sort of thing. #3 is usually introduced to trump in a debate (so, a common criticism involves challenging a person's archive; for example, to discuss Zizek coherently, one should read more than On Belief; or, I am sometimes urged to read Baudrillard; finally, a major way that debates in academic feminism unfolded in the eighties was in terms of archive--white feminists were criticized for ignoring the work of feminists of color).

Of course, #2 may also be the most difficult. People accuse one another of not conducting themselves according to agreed upon criteria--of bad faith, disingenuousness, and deceit. And, when faced with this accusation, some respond by pointing out that the very accusation was raised in bad faith. And then the very possibility of debate become impossible, yet again.

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Slight of hand? I am smitten. Or was that Freudian? Clearly not for the feint of heart. Yes, you've done a clever thing with slippage and unintentionality. But don't make the correction. It's better as is. Why? Because it doubles back on your earlier question: can one criticize an entire discursive community by invoking one of their terms?

More to the point, can one criticize an entire discursive community by misrepresenting one of their terms? This is an interesting question. So I hope you let it stand.

And thanks for the previous 7 paragraphs. They're succinct, clear. I like that.

Posted by: dp | Feb 4, 2007 1:36:41 PM

how embarrassing. Freud would say it's Freudian. I think it's ignorance. Or an overcite. but, I'll let it stand--I like your comment.

Posted by: Jodi | Feb 4, 2007 2:01:26 PM

the critic fails to acknowledge the way communities form along antagonisms.

I don't buy this. In the name of complexity, you're oversimplifying the terms of the debate. Take your (not at all loaded) example of the conservative critique of academic feminism: the flattening of different strains of feminist thought is not the result of an intellectual difference, but of an ideological difference which precludes the asking of the very the questions academic feminists ask. John's critique, however, is an intellectual one. He is not averse to differentiating between Lacanian and Foucauldian thought, nor is he attempting to flatten the distinctions between them. He's asking a very simple question, one which you seem to be avoiding:

Do these people who claim to "do theory" -- who write on "theory blogs" -- have anything in common? After all, they claim to be "doing" the same thing. Are we confronting the narcissism of small differences here? Does the Lacanian and Foucauldian share, if not a structure of thought, then an approach to philosophical history, or a citational ethos, or a set of assumptions about the way language works? In other words, while you're absolutely correct -- important differences exist -- is it not possible that people who congregate under the same banner do so for an identifiable reason?

To consider that question an affront misses the point. A community can be incredibly diverse, certainly. But to ask why a particular community is a community is a valid question. Say I ask "Why do Deleuzians talk to Zizekians but not to Parsonians?" Pointing at the place where certain conversations (oftentimes about the same subject) stop is an illegitimate question? Inferring back from that point, attempting to discover what makes the conversation between Deleuzians and Zizekians possible is an illegitimate enterprise?

All of which is only to say, for some reason, you neglect to confront the key question here:

That is, can there be a discussion on a large scale that isn't nonsensical? Perhaps.

Despite what follows, that "perhaps" is telling: you claim that John's attention to "theory" as a discursive community is illegitimate on its face, then claim that within these communities, the "very possibility of debate becomes impossible, yet again." You decline to answer your own hypothetical question, mourning a foreclosure without considering the claims you made earlier -- namely, that certain groups are constituted by their internal debates. Who are these "people" in the final paragraph? Are they the critics attempting to understand the contours of a particular community, or are they the members of the community attempting to understand the internal limitations of their own discourse? If the latter, your "perhaps" is a rhetorical concession -- an effective set-up for your gnomic final sentence, but no more. If the former, your discursive theory incorporates John right into the community you claim he rejects -- a possibility, but I doubt the gesture you intended.

In other words, this post seems like little more than an attempt by the trees to declare where the forest ends. Which is fine. Always happens. However, the trees need a little humility, need to recognize that those outside the forest may have some insight into where it ends -- may, in fact, have a perspective the trees can't even imagine.

Not fun thoughts, I know, but there's no escaping them. History will happen to us all, one day.

Posted by: Scott Eric Kaufman | Feb 4, 2007 4:25:44 PM

The final paragraph is meant to open back up to the possibility of discussion between opponents of Theory and so-called advocates of Theory; more bluntly, I was wondering if there could ever be an actual discussion between denizens of faucets and pipes and denizens of the Weblog and Long Sunday that was an actual discussion that wouldn't degenerate into a flame war. So, I wasn't thinking of anything 'internal' at that point at all. Differently put, I was taking John Emerson's #2 quite seriously as a potential marker of a discursive community. The question is serious--when these criteria don't exist at all, there is no discussion.

It seems to me that the critic who wants to use a banner to reject a community in toto should state the 'identifiable reason' that designates the community and why he rejects it.

There are critics of feminism who claim that their reasons are serious and intellectual rather than ideological. Some in the academy, for example, reject women's studies because it lacks discernible methods. Some reject feminism because they think that universalism already encompasses feminism's claims (this was Habermas's position until the early 90s).

Posted by: Jodi | Feb 4, 2007 4:48:25 PM

And I am aware, obviously, of the irony inherent in my humility comment. Who is John, after all, to tell you that you have more in common with this person or that than you think? Granted. Still, think about it in editorial terms:

Who is this other person to tell me what the best way to phrase this sentence or organize this argument is? I spent seven years writing this.

To which I would say:

Precisely! You are the worst person to ask, Mr. Invested-in-Every-Sentence-and-Argument, as you have no distance from the material you've produced.

Similarly, I think those with whom we don't share intellectual assumptions are better positioned to make certain judgments about the shape of a discipline. (This is why, for example, I'm committed to the idea of interdisciplinary work -- why I share my work with as many people in as many different disciplines as I can -- because I'm well-aware not only of my own personal limitations, but those which have been drilled into me. Only, self-awareness isn't enough. A radically different perspective is sometimes needed.

(And yes, I'm aware this invalidates what I have to say about "theory." So I'll shut up now.)

Posted by: Scott Eric Kaufman | Feb 4, 2007 4:49:35 PM

I was wondering if there could ever be an actual discussion between denizens of faucets and pipes and denizens of the Weblog and Long Sunday that was an actual discussion that wouldn't degenerate into a flame war.

A modicum of mutual respect might help. Or are the denizens of the interminable diurnal incapable of that? Also, I've had numerous conversations with Ken, Adam, Anthony and CR which haven't devolved into conflagrations. So your statement lacks a little in the accuracy department.

There are critics of feminism who claim that their reasons are serious and intellectual rather than ideological.

Of course there are. But they're not the Right, the group mentioned in your post, to which you (unsubtly, yet somehow still implicitly) liken critics of theory.

Posted by: Scott Eric Kaufman | Feb 4, 2007 5:04:12 PM

Scott continues to ignore the part of John's post where Jodi's article shows that it was "our" fault that the debates consistently broke down, because we theorists are guilty of massive intellectual dishonesty.

And interestingly, the positive traits that John consistently uses to portray "theory" people basically all amount to intellectual dishonesty: classically, the "theory two-step" where people claim to represent theory in the sense of critical thought when really they mean theory in a highly reified sense. We get no sense of shared intellectual affinities -- the way these bodies of thought emerge from various interplays among major strains of European intellectual life such as structuralism, psychoanalysis, Marxism, phenomenology, etc. No, it's as though some grab-bag were chosen absolutely arbitrarily.

It seems to me that conversation with Scott about these matters is possible (and is currently happening), but not with Holbo at this point -- at the end of the day, he's still too enamored with the "Higher Eclecticism" routine and still too wounded that everyone didn't jump right onboard with something that seems to him to be blindingly obvious.

Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Feb 4, 2007 5:16:22 PM

Say I ask "Why do Deleuzians talk to Zizekians but not to Parsonians?"

Your question would be as hypothetical and mystical as all of this "Theory" nonsense - I'd be mighty surprised if you could find someone - anyone - under the age of 65 who identifies as a "Parsonian." Even insofar as "Parsonianism" is the official ideology of academic sociology in North America, people still wouldn't identify it as "Parsonian" in character. Even the most positivistic of sociologists are hesitant to jump on the "general theory of society" bandwagon. Are Parsons' books even in print anymore? Is he even taught outside of "history of sociological theory" undergrad courses?

Regarding your comment else, SEK, I'm not particularly familiar with people who say, "I do theory" or "I am a theorist." I've heard people say, "I do social theory" or "I do political theory," but rarely - outside of undergrads who speak of "theory class" in the same way they speak of "methods class" - do I hear what you are saying. Your claim is too superficial to actually have any interesting or important meaning: people can and do just as easily say, "I do political sociology," but that statement, "I do political sociology," doesn't tell us anything about what they do.

Posted by: Craig | Feb 4, 2007 6:16:08 PM

Unscrew the locks from the doors !
Unscrew the doors themselves from their jambs!

People unhappy with The Higher Eclecticism might prefer my paradigm, described by Holbo as "Eclecticism on Stilts".

I think that this point by Jodi is good:

So, can one criticize an entire discursive community by invoking one of their terms? Yes, if one is rejecting the community per se.

As I understand it, she's saying that a large and diverse community of discourse might be defined by certain core terms shared by all of them under some definition, and that if you attack this term (e.g. by redefining it or claiming that it's meaningless) you attack the whole community through attacking its forms of discourse.

Posted by: John Emerson | Feb 4, 2007 6:34:46 PM

I'm sorry, but I clearly am either too ignorant or too proud to understand the tension that erupts every time this conversation starts over again. I guess I simply cannot accurately fathom the stakes, so if anyone would like to lay them out for me, I'd appreciate it.

I said previously that I would hate to be a theory blog, and it is this sort of a conversation that provides my warrant. If by "theory" one means simply a certain mode of thinking through problems, then it is certainly the case that theorists and theory blogs can lay claim to some common ground that connects them together as a community. One can claim this, to be sure, but really, why the fuck bother? It doesn't mean much, because certain commonalities do not a coherent structure make. So instead, theory gets configured and imagined as being more structured by implicit practices and the body of research and thought that qualifies as theory gets circumscribed. Higher eclecticism, as the obvious example, required an almost acrobatic propensity to group together the worst of tendencies and chastise them as was fitting, a feat that no one would find problematic if not for the casuistic stretching by which Higher Eclecticism becomes Theory and Theory becomes theory.

And this counter-claim Jodi seems to be making, that any discussion can happen only through an initial dismissal of a community, seems equally tendentious, in that it seems to rely upon a community based on conversational source material. I love a good throw down and an in-depth discussion on a work or a collection of works by an author or on some particular subject, but I cannot imagine a community predicated on shared reading material. Shared reading, yes, requisite material, no. Everyone always tosses out the net's current favorites: Lacan, Deleuze, Zizek, and I think these are all fine people to discuss, but the combat that ensues over whether or not they should be discussed, who has the right to discuss them, and what that discussion means is mind-numbing. Where's the Heidegger? Where's the "screw philosophy, that shit is done - let's try some thinking?" Isn't there something eerily similar about this recurring debate? Can't we just say theory is done (it was a recent invention, so I'm sure we can imagine life without it) and let's try something less, well, concrete?

There's something of the occupational psychosis in all of this.

...

Incidentally, didn't de Man already deal with this issue in his discussion of the resistance to/of theory?

Posted by: Kenneth Rufo | Feb 4, 2007 7:08:58 PM

"......a large and diverse community of discourse might be defined by certain core terms shared by all of them under some definition, and that if you attack this term (e.g. by redefining it or claiming that it's meaningless) you attack the whole community through attacking its forms of discourse."

BS. There's claims about data--economic, psychological, biological or otherwise. Marx asserts much the same at the beginning of the German Ideology. The rest is Charm School enforcement, or worse: postmodernist/pragmatist theology.

Posted by: Sean McCallahan | Feb 4, 2007 7:11:26 PM

Ken--I didn't say discussion can happen only through initial dismissal of a community.

Scott--which 'certain' judgments do you mean about the shape of a discipline? you might specify this in an interesting way. Without that specification, I read you as saying that someone outside a discipline or practice is better able to make a judgment about that discipline or practice than someone inside it. And I would fully disagree with that. So, someone who doesn't practice yoga is better able to judge the practice of yoga than someone who does. That seems wrong. But, there are different ways to think about: the audience judging the performer or movie (so, lots of times audiences like movies more than critics or, say, moviemakers do).

Also, I don't say that discussions between V and LS/W are impossible--I think that John Emerson's number 2 designates their conditions of possibility, and you specify one of these conditions with your term 'modicum or respect.'

Posted by: Jodi | Feb 4, 2007 7:34:59 PM

The modicum of respect thing is difficult to achieve when both parties are on hair triggers. (Or at least some members of each party are, which results in the same kind of atmosphere.)

I, for one, would be in favor of a blogosphere-wide conflagration centered on Heidegger.

Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Feb 4, 2007 7:56:45 PM

Adam, I'm old and tired an conflagrationed out by now.

Posted by: John Emerson | Feb 4, 2007 8:32:08 PM

Sorry, by "discussion" I meant critique. I'm all euphemism and shit.

And Adam, I'm all for some H-man ho-down. Let's all hit Identity and Difference.

Posted by: Kenneth Rufo | Feb 4, 2007 8:43:31 PM

Craig:

Even insofar as "Parsonianism" is the official ideology of academic sociology in North America, people still wouldn't identify it as "Parsonian" in character.

Translation: Even inasmuch as Scott's characterization of contemporary sociology is correct, people won't own up to it, therefore Scott's characterization of contemporary sociology is incorrect.

Nice thinking there, sport. Hope no one sees through it.

Are Parsons' books even in print anymore?

If only there was some way to check up on that, I could answer your question. Are you even trying to respond intelligently?

I'm not particularly familiar with people who say, "I do theory" or "I am a theorist."

Well then, it must not be true.

people can and do just as easily say, "I do political sociology"

Very good Craig. People can say that, yet choose to say "I do theory" in a way which meaningfully communicates something. Or would, if I weren't a liar whose anecdotal evidence is trumped by your anecdotal evidence. Perhaps you want to limit your argument to Canada? "In Canada, people don't say that, so the fact that they do in America means it isn't important." After all, if the standard is to be your anecdotal evidence, it ought to at least be contextualized.

Ken:

Can't we just say theory is done (it was a recent invention, so I'm sure we can imagine life without it) and let's try something less, well, concrete?

We certainly can...but that wouldn't have the slightest impact on its institutional stature, and for someone for whom this stature looms over the past 40 years of his discipline's history, I can honestly say that I don't want to stop talking about it until I understand how it attained and maintained that stature. (You are, of course, welcome not to listen, but I think you'd agree that it's important to understand the history of one's discipline, since that history girds its present structure, &c.)

As for the de Man, I'm fairly certain you're being facetious there, but just in case Craig doesn't understand, I'll say it anyway: I'm not sure a book in which all thought is subsumed under the aegis of "theory" is the best one to mention in a thread in which "theory" is said not to exist. (Actually, now that I typed that, I'm positive you're being facetious. But still, you know, Craig.)

Jodi:

I read you as saying that someone outside a discipline or practice is better able to make a judgment about that discipline or practice than someone inside it.

That would be correct. (It's a fore-echoing of Ray's point, actually.) And I stand by it. What makes "theory" interesting in this regard is that, having no "home" discipline, if you will, it creates a space in which it can never be challenged in whole, since those qualified to do so would still be imbricated in the discourse (a la de Man).

Posted by: Scott Eric Kaufman | Feb 4, 2007 10:27:48 PM

Adam, the thing you say that I'm uniquely unwilling to discuss sounds to me suspiciously like the line I have been pushing all along. Namely, that two-step feints over 'theory' are not very interesting. What we need is some critical intellectual history of theory, by way of arriving at a judgment of what its advantanges and disadvantages might be. I have repeatedly suggested that it should be regarded as a very late repetition of some patterns we meet for the first time in post-Kantian German romanticism. This suggestion on my part has not received a very favorable reception, because the objection has been made that I'm not defining 'theory' - and maybe there is no such thing. (So I guess I'm happy if you throw me in that briar patch, come to think of it.)

Posted by: jholbo | Feb 4, 2007 10:28:58 PM

John,

Yes, you have suggested the Romanticism thing before, but I always took that as being a different angle on defining "theory" stylistically -- rather than, say, in terms of critical intellectual history. Virtually all of your work that I've read on this topic have been about stylistic matters, rather than actual intellectual history.

Was Freud a romantic? Was Marx? Husserl? Surely Heidegger was in some sense -- but what sense? And what was it about American intellectual life that made the reception of European thinkers so biased toward romantics? That kind of thing would be interesting to investigate. If you were to start actually doing that, I might even revoke my auto-ban policy, especially now that blogfights will apparently be deleted before they start.

Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Feb 4, 2007 10:43:09 PM

See, and we're back to where we were before, Scott. I'll agree with you and John that intellectual history is important - even essential - and that the institutional celebration of theory is worthy of critique. Where we depart is the attempt that I see, as the argument unfolds, to take that engagement with a disciplinary and institutional history and conclude some predictive taxonomy that explains something beyond the rise and fall of a heavily overdetermined historical object. So when you complain that theory lacks a home discipline, you're no longer doing disciplinary or institutional history, and at that moment, your critique falls apart for me, as I see you stretching to apply an analytic model to (and here is where I agree with Jodi) discourse communities who have their own institutional and disciplinary histories and thus receive what you call theory in one venue through their own idiosyncratic contexts and filters. Now you could argue that these contexts vary in ways limited by certain structural tendencies at work in the reception or production of theory across disciplines and institutions, but I have yet to see much evidence of that, and the data set would need to be pretty massive to justify such a claim. And it would need to be more than the "look at all the examples of bad theory out there," which is still, to my tastes, what a lot of the so-called evidence demonstrates.

Then again, I'm not a lit guy, I'm a rhetoric guy from a communication background, so I guess I'm neither completely outside of the lit theory forest (I suppose for the purposes of Scott's argument philosophy is the outside to literature? that seems a rather icky claim), nor am I up there swinging in the trees with the Chaucer folks. I don't know what this means in terms of my ability to perceive anything correctly, but as it probably excludes me from both Scott's and Jodi's estimation of who knows best, I suppose I'll just start ignoring me.

And yes, I was being facetious. I thought it was rather funny, all things considered. I remember reading an anecdote in a lecture of Sam Weber's where he talks about de Man telling someone about his "discovery" of Derrida, announcing that Derrida was doing exactly the sort of thing de Man had been trying to figure out how to do, and how this admission was somewhat of a sad moment for de Man. I also remember thinking how true de Man's admission seemed, and Resistance to Theory confirms this, at least to me.

Posted by: Kenneth Rufo | Feb 4, 2007 10:53:03 PM

How modicumnish. The Valve will not approve my humble comment (posted twice now, the first time several hours ago) saying, only:

"Spot on, Ray." If only addressees had ears to hear you.

Please mind your manners, Scott.

Posted by: Matt | Feb 4, 2007 10:55:02 PM

Adam, why would you assume that what was distinctive about post-Kantian German Romanticism was something 'merely stylistic'? Rather, it was an intellectual movement that was particularly focused on stylistic questions - or, if you like, questions about linguistic forms. To see 'style' as some merely ornamental inessentiality seems ... well, unromantic of you (I am somewhat bemused to be prodded to discuss something that, I think, I've been trying to discuss all along, against considerable resistance.) Was Freud a romantic? Was Marx. Husserl. I would say yes, mostly yes, and oddly yes.

Posted by: jholbo | Feb 4, 2007 10:55:53 PM

Presumably some thing beyond a yes/no answer would be the stuff of at least potential interest, at this juncture.

Posted by: Matt | Feb 4, 2007 11:12:56 PM

May I take that as a sign of agreement with what I have been suggesting all along, Matt? Namely, that the proper way to proceed is to waive excessive skepticism about the bare existence of theory, proceeding to questions about intellectual history with an ultimate aim of critically assessing the advantages and disadvantages of theory for life?

I do think it is still important to give a kind of 'stylistic' analysis of theory, for the same reason that an understanding of German romanticism will focus on how they understood, for example, 'romantic poetry' (a term with curiously similar valences to 'theory'.)

Posted by: jholbo | Feb 4, 2007 11:32:06 PM

SEK, you are showing more than a little bit of ignorance and arrogance. Perhaps you should step back for a moment and reconsider your point. There's a significant difference between the official ideology of North American sociology (i.e., structural functionalism) and what sociology actually is (i.e., how it is practiced). There's a good case to be made that most undergraduate programs in sociology are likely structured around the tenets of structural functionalism - it makes sense, of course, because most of them were founded in the sixties and seventies when Parsons was at his peak! Likewise, the senior figures in North American sociology were students of Parsons or students of his students. All the same, if you ask a practicing sociologist - be they a graduate student or faculty - you won't find a single one who will call themselves a "Parsonian" or a "structural functionalist." This, of course, is an interesting problem in itself. However, it makes your hypothetical all but impossible: there are no Parsonians for your Deleuzian to talk to! To accuse Deleuzians of ignoring Parsons is just dumb.

But you knew that.

Let's move on to your next point: people can say "I do theory" - and, let's keep in mind, you've framed the question in terms of sociology via reference to Parsons - and be meaningful. Your ignorance is, once again, getting ahead of you. For the vast majority of sociologists, "doing theory" means what is called "theory construction" and "hypothesis testing." When people say they are interested in "social" or "sociological theory" this is what they, by far, mean: their interest is in translating "theoretical statements" into "quantifiable propositions." A "theoretical question" for the mainstream of sociology is whether or not the law of the tendency of the rate of profit to decline can be proven or disproven through multiple regression or whatever. This is also, by the way, Jodi's point vis a vis political science. What you call "theory" by and large does not exist in the social sciences in the same way they do in Book of the Month Club degrees like your own. No wonder, when you seek to engage people in the social sciences or theology or Continental philosophy that they look at you with a great deal of confusion!

But you knew this too.

Posted by: Craig | Feb 4, 2007 11:58:23 PM

Jodi:

I read you as saying that someone outside a discipline or practice is better able to make a judgment about that discipline or practice than someone inside it.

That was addressed to Scott and not me, but that expresses one of the basic principles of much of what I do. I don't actually say "better able to", but I do say that the external perspective on a discipline has its own value, and people within disciplines are very often blind to that perspective. (This, incidentally, as a big part of Foucault's practice.)

Posted by: John Emerson | Feb 5, 2007 12:04:32 AM

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