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March 27, 2007

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Luther Blissett

Michael Herr, who wrote much of the script of *Full Metal Jacket*, wrote an earlier work of "new journalism" about his time in the Nam. In it, he discusses this issue of soldiers recreating scenes and language from their favorite war movies.

Which is to say, it's ironic if soldiers are now recreating Herr's own recreations.

At the same time, let's not look down on the language of the soldiers on the ground. As one professor of mine put it, the entire language of the 60s counter-culture was ripped off from the boys and girls coming back from the Nam.

Scott Milton

"The stupid talk and yells undoubtedly represent a release from the psychosis inspiring and inspired actions that they are committing."

Well I'm doubting it, so let's see an argument as to why the stupid talk and yells represent such a release.

Deke

What we hear is not the organic, the militaristically gnomic, the earthy - it is the sitcomedic. MTV trashtalk, some Full Metal Jacketisms (Kubrick would have loved this, at least in a way) thrown in.

Ah agree with that man. Not so Kubrickian: more like an episode of Ren and Stimpy, some grunt-mercenaries of Pax Americana flying around in the Fed birds, shooting randomly at whatever moves. Yikes! At least even up the firepower, as in the beginning of some great game of stoner Risk. Yet the Feinsteinians signed off on it, and liberals of the last 50 years did shit in terms of taking on Islamic hysteria.

CR

At the same time, let's not look down on the language of the soldiers on the ground. As one professor of mine put it, the entire language of the 60s counter-culture was ripped off from the boys and girls coming back from the Nam.

That's not a good sign, if what's in the video is what we have to look forward to, counter-culturally speaking. I'm sure your professor was right about this, but today's US military is very, very different from that of the Vietnam era. Conscripts vs. volunteers. And check out the racial component. All white here, right?

Well I'm doubting it, so let's see an argument as to why the stupid talk and yells represent such a release

Hmm... I'm guessing that bringing it back home to the Xbox, while over there, verbally distances things, situations a bit. Trivializes them. Instead of just plain killing civilians, say, we're back on the couch with Call of Duty or whatever, MTV, some stupid ESPN show, basketball trashtalk. But I don't know...

Why don't you tell us what you think about it.

Matt

Or maybe it's that war, particularly one-sided war, makes you fucking stupid.

Perhaps that's what your professor was saying too, about "the counter-culture."

muhahaha

Temper temper, the lumpen mentality you discribe logically yields "stupid talk and yells".

So you've stooped to attacking the psyche of grunts.

...whats wrong?


luci

What, grunts are immune to "stupid"? All soldiers are to be revered?

What about soldiers of other countries - can they be "stupid"? Iranian soldiers? Japanese soldiers? (stupid until 1945, now not stupid?).

Is the rule then "just root for the home team?"

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