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"universal is for everybody" - oprah discovers socialism

(xposted, belatedly, from adswithoutproducts)

Absolutely amazing moment the other day on tv. I had heard that Cormac McCarthy was going to be on Oprah to discuss The Road - which seemed like an unlikely and interesting thing to see so I taped the show. But as it turned out, the McCarthy section was by far less interesting than the first segment, which featured Michael Moore discussing his new movie about the American health care situation, Sicko.

The moment when it felt like the ground was giving way beneath my feet comes about 1:30 into this video (which is bound not to last on-line, so get it while the getting's good)...




Here's a transcript of the exchange in question:

O:

OK this is what I was going to say about the film - that I got it in a way that I hadn't gotten it before. Now don't you love when that happens. When you just go "Ooo! I got it!" Because you know the word "socialism" really stirs up...

MM:

[Scarily] Socialized Medicine...

O:

Socialized Medicine

MM:

[Scarily] Ooo...

O: And then when you showed the example of [how] we have socialized activities in this country. The fire department - we don't pay for a fire department. We don't pay for the police department. We don't pay for public schools.

MM:

And it's universal.

O:

We don't pay for the library. And it's universal - universal is for everybody.

MM:

Right.

O:

And so the very idea of extending that to the care of people is really something that I have to honestly say that I hadn't thought about it because I'm one of those people, "I got mine," so I wasn't thinking about who didn't have theirs. Really. Right.

MM:

And we don't expect the fire department to turn a profit. It would be an appalling thought, and the reason we don't is because it's a life and death issue. Well, health care is a life and death issue.

O:

Yeah.

MM:

And that's why turning a profit has to be removed from the system.

Good Christ, that's amazing. The slow but distinct re-discovery of what that word, "socialism," might mean by a figure obviously not associated with words like that. The discovery that we already very much have elements of it all around us, elements that we would never willingly part with. The emergence that a better synonym for "socialism" would be "universality," rather than "Stalinism" or "gulag" or "bread-lines" that it's usually equated with, when it's mentioned at all, in the US. The revelation of the fact that "socialism" in fact provides very simple, but persuasive answers to issues that only at first seem incredibly complex, impossible to repair, and as if natural, inevitable features of our sociopolitical landscape.

In short, I think this little episode renders abundantly clear why exactly socialized medicine is such an important - perhaps the important - issue today in the US. Just as the right has own Overton Window games that they've long played with school prayer and vouchers and the like, a nation with a public medical system funded by even a large fractional amount that the US currently spends on health care today would be a nation on its way, I believe, toward a whole branching set of public sector reinvestments.

And it further, Moore's appearance on Oprah puts to shame ten thousand cute and clever forms of aestheticized intervention - simple, spirited explanation may have set us on a path toward improvement that no act of detournement or deconstruction, no dialectical ruse, nor metatextual abyssalism could accomplish.

This is a sobering, yet inspiring thing to realize, if you're someone who does what I do for a living. 

I've really liked Michael Moore for a long time, but he is now officially one of the patron saints of my blog. As is, in her own way, Oprah for playing this out in this way...

By CR | June 12, 2007 in Television | Permalink

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Here here. I concur. I, too, like concrete steps forward in public discourse and Michael Moore has done one heck of a lot more than most, including this bit on Oprah, seen by, what? Many hundreds of thousands? Several millions? The discussion on Oprah you reproduce also shows how strange or perhaps threatening ideas get defanged and familiarized: through comparison with less threatening and more familiar ideas (fire department-socialized medicine; library-socialized medicine, etc.).

Posted by: Swifty | Jun 13, 2007 10:28:29 AM

The utube link is broken.

Posted by: muhahaha | Jun 14, 2007 8:44:15 PM

I hear Oprah made 260 millsion last year.

Her private helicopter is black with a great giant "O" in gold letters on it...flies over Florida.

She's certainly found a niche of semi-insecure and semi-overweight liberal housewives though...long live the great world-ending mediocre literature.

Posted by: Occasional Agonist | Jun 15, 2007 10:01:12 PM

I actually saw that part of the show. I think there is a lot to be said for simple and spirited explanation. It is nice when someone like Oprah passes the message along! Hopefully viewers have new concepts of socialism floating in their heads along with Oprah's favourites coffee, hand cream, martini, and so on!

Posted by: Polly Jones | Jun 19, 2007 9:18:45 PM

I saw the You Tube video on the ColorLines blog 'Racewire' and was truly shocked and impressed that Oprah's audience applauded when Michael Moore said we needed universal healthcare. Maybe things ARE changing.

Posted by: Feminist Review | Jun 23, 2007 11:55:31 PM

I found this post after doing a google search for "Michael Moore" "Sicko" and "Socialism." This Oprah moment is indeed very interesting. I have a post about these questions and would interested to know what you think.

Posted by: riley | Jun 25, 2007 1:57:37 PM

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/movies/la-et-moore29jun29,1,61278.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews&ctrack=5&cset=true

Very good on some recent appearances and comments by Moore.

Posted by: patrick j. mullins | Jun 28, 2007 8:11:45 PM

'Universal' heath care for all 300,000,000 of the people who now reside in America - citizens, legal immigrants, legal foreign workers, foreign students, illegal aliens, tourists? Make us all wards of the federal and state governments? Have you ever visited a local 'welfare' office to see how 'recipients' are treated? Lord, save us from that!

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html

Posted by: FD | Jun 29, 2007 12:25:53 PM

'Universal' heath care for all 300,000,000 of the people who now reside in America - citizens, legal immigrants, legal foreign workers, foreign students, illegal aliens, tourists?

Yes, you've made me see the light. We should scuttle this thing lest any Korean graduate students receive a free pap smear. That would, like, render the whole thing ridiculous, right?

? Make us all wards of the federal and state governments?

This too, I agree with. I vastly prefer being a ward of my insurance company, with whom I at least know the terms. They will try to fuck me over at every turn, and I will beg that they stop doing that with tears in my eyes.

Have you ever visited a local 'welfare' office to see how 'recipients' are treated?

Well, no. I haven't. And you know, it's really a wonder that these "recipients" turn up at all, given the treatment. But you're right, the brave and American thing to do, when you've fallen into a tough situation, is to let your children starve themselves blind rather than to take what's coming to you from government. I can imagine, being sick and unemployed, vastly preferring to stick it out and go bankrupt when the $100,000 bill comes from the hospital rather than to face the indignity of having the care supplied to me as a sort of human right. And really, who wouldn't.

Lord, save us from that!

It's true. Jesus would have absolutely hated socialized medicine. I love the passages in the bible where his billing agency contacts the ex-lepers to extract his due... And the lawsuits the man-god had to deal with? He cures the blind, and then the guy gets a mote or a beam in his eye and it's straight into Jersalem Tort Court with him, er, Him.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html

Gotta tell you: I think the author of the article has predicted, letter by letter, Hilary Clinton's coming proposal for "universal health coverage." Single-payer? Not so much. Tax credit for veterinary care. Absolutely, front and center.

Posted by: CR | Jun 30, 2007 2:02:56 AM

all of Sicko is available on Richard Bluestein's Insane Films here:

http://insanefilms.com/?p=413

he got permission from moore to post it.
(i haven't watched it yet.)

Posted by: madame l. | Jul 3, 2007 2:18:01 PM

I bet Oprah will never have a show where she brings on someone that wants to socialize talk shows. How about Michael Moore do an expose on universal documentaries. He films them and puts them on the big screen for no profit.

The day that we socialize medicine is the day that the intellectual pool for doctors dries up. People want to feel important and having the prestige and the paycheck a doctor brings gives people that sense of importance. No longer will getting good health care be something people strive for; socialize medicine will be expected by all. Once it is expected it will turn to garbage as no one likes to feel trivial. We will start to look at doctors the same way we look at firefighters, police officers, post office workers, and librarians; as people just doing their job.

Tell me why do you think there is a shortage for recruiting firefighters and police officers? Once the shortage of recruitment of doctors start will you be accepting of foreign doctors trained in non-accredited schools?

Posted by: Kevin Spring | Jul 12, 2007 11:11:21 PM

Well, Kevin, I suppose this is an issue for the government to work out with the populace. If there is a doctor-shortage due to low salaries, I suppose we, collectively, will have to increase pay in that sector. After subtracting insurance company profit, I am quite sure that there will be enough left over to keep doctors in Lexuses and HD tvs.

Can you explain why French doctors somehow have the wherewithal to continue joining the profession despite its socialized status in that country?

By the way, the author of this post is a professor at at state (socialized) university, who accepted less pay to work at a school with equal access for all rather than a private school that offered higher pay.

And, by the way again, Michael Moore has given permission for people to download his film for free. That's pretty close to not-for-profit from what I can tell.

Posted by: CR | Jul 13, 2007 12:03:59 AM

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