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CBR

Since nobody commented on this, I just wanted to say it's well-put and interesting, AND I agree with the substance of your remarks, but I don't know the primary sources so have nothing useful to add.

This board seems pretty well dead again, notwithstanding the influx of new contributors...

Jeff Rubard

Having known one of the primary sources (as a nice guy and a snappy dresser), I would mention that Forrest Hylton was the person I first heard about Antonio Negri from, some years before Empire. So, although I haven't read the book, I think assimilating his views to Robert Kaplan-style Anarchy Watches is probably unfair.

Jon

Jeff, thanks for your comment. I haven't read Hylton's book, either. I was inspired by Angela's review rather than the books themselves.

But I think one of the questions is how much the paradigm has really shifted with these recent and much heralded moves to the left in Latin America. There are still many shared assumptions and unlikely bedfellows, demostrating that there is some way to go in the attempt to leave behind either the now bankrupt Washington Consensus or its social democratic avatars.

Jeff Rubard

Well, it's possible both my recollection and her impression of the book are right. As far as I heard, Forrest had maintained an autonomist-inspired viewpoint upon removal to New York: but it's certainly possible that he, like many people on the harder end of the left spectrum, has been impressed by the results of Chavez and Morales to the point of rethinking things along more "statist" lines. Now, I think the role Gramsci has played in the 21st-century-socialism movement, as a cudgel for reactionary "civil society", is not totally salutory -- but I also think that the claim of Venezuela and Bolivia to be "democracies of a new type" is pretty strong, and that it would be a sign of empirical sensitivity (as opposed to theoretical lassitude) for him to be tacking that direction.

Jon

Well, Negri himself "has been impressed by the results of Chavez and Morales to the point of rethinking things along more 'statist' lines." Though it seems rather to go against the grain of much of his other work, not least that he should (in GlobAL, for instance) be praising so much a Latin American "New Deal" when he quite thoroughly critiqued the "old" New Deal, and the Keynesian politics that sustained it.

I mean, yes, as I make clear in my subsequent comments on the referendum, I'd rather Chávez than the Venezuelan opposition any day of the week. But obviously, that support for Chávez is heavily contingent, and it's worth seeing the possibilities and potential that Chávez (like any sovereign) blocks or ties up.

Nadaland

The politics of "Successful" seems sort of context-relative. For the American college-jackoff leftist who dreams of par-tay membership, latin American style communism might seem successful. To those who had their properties--even modest sized properties- seized by the Chavezistas, not so successful.

Jon

Hi, Nadaland. Perhaps my subsequent point will help clarify further, but the point was that Venezuela is far from being a "failed state" in the terms proposed by conventional political analysis. To say this is not necessarily to voice support for Chávez, of course. The anti-chavistas, as you yourself indicate, complain precisely about the strength of the state under the Bolivarian revolution.

It's also worth noting that nobody in their right mind would really call Chávez a communist. Again, for better or for worse.

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